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EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:56 pm
by Paul
Just wondering if any members are interested in a day out but only for film cameras?
A option maybe that we only have 1 roll of film to play with (35mm, medium format, etc etc) then have a fun day out learning how to use the 'old school' methods of careful composure and maybe using light meters where required.
At this stage I wouldn't want to put a restriction on lenses but a prime would be a good start! 8)
I'm certainly no expert with film but I would love if some of the experts could come along and teach even just some of the minor basic/finer points of film.
We can then still get them developed (Photoshop V0.0001) and converted into digital via the film processing company onto CD for displaying on the forum.
At this point in time a January or February might be a good time to book in.
I'm keen to hear everyone's idea's and inputs so fire away. :D

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:11 am
by gstark
Paul,

I'd like to take this idea a step further - shoot on film, and then take you through the development process to at least neg stage.

Because the chemical processes require temperature control, the height of summer might not be the best time to do this, but I think it's a great idea.

Who else is aboard?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:32 am
by Reschsmooth
Where's my ticket? :lol: Can we bring more than 1 camera? :lol: :lol:

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:52 am
by radar
I'd be interested in this. Recently I've used a Nikon F90 with Velvia film and a 20mm prime. Loved the sound of the shutter, film winding and the clear viewfinder.

It would be good to be with others that can teach me a thing or two about film.

André

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:01 am
by trotkiller
I'm there

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:14 am
by Paul
gstark wrote:I'd like to take this idea a step further


Gary, that sounds a great idea! :D
The more suggestions the better I say.

Patrick, you can bring as many film cameras as you want :wink:

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:33 am
by Reschsmooth
The beauty of doing this in Autumn/Winter next year is that Alicia will also be able to come and she can use her Bronnie! :D

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:48 am
by phillipb
If this Idea goes ahead and there are people who would like to attend but don't have a film camera, I may be able to lend out a few older model SLR and rangefinders. Hopefully they are still operational.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:42 pm
by MCWB
Sounds cool, I haven't shot film in years! Very interested.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:58 pm
by Killakoala
Sounds like an idea I'd be interested in. It all depends on when though.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:52 pm
by Geoff
I'd love to attend, but alas I don't own a film camera :)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:59 pm
by phillipb
Geoff wrote:I'd love to attend, but alas I don't own a film camera :)


Geoff, that's no excuse, read my earlier post.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:03 pm
by SteveGriffin
I'm in so long as I don't have to come to Sydney to play. I have been shooting a bit of B&W film lately and really enjoying it. Makes you think a bit more before pulling the trigger.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:09 pm
by Geoff
phillipb wrote:
Geoff wrote:I'd love to attend, but alas I don't own a film camera :)


Geoff, that's no excuse, read my earlier post.


Great! Thanks.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:01 pm
by Paul
Thanks all for the replies, I'll let this keep on rolling with suggestions as they come.
Winter/Autumn may be better time for the meet as Patrick mentioned, I'll have my hands very full during Jan/Feb with the new bub but I'm sure I could sneak off for a Sat/Sun morning break. :wink:

Okay so if everyone thats interested can nominate a month they would prefer we can then narrow it down to a date from there.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:03 pm
by Geoff
Paul wrote: I'll have my hands very full during Jan/Feb with the new bub but I'm sure I could sneak off for a Sat/Sun morning break. :wink:

 LOL - u think? :) :lol:

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:07 pm
by Paul
I'm just following the example lead by Patrick.. :wink: :D

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:10 pm
by Geoff
Nice work :)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:33 pm
by Yi-P
I'm definitely in for this!! I can lend out some film camera + prime lens to whoever need some gear for our film outing day.

But I have my schedules very full until end of this month.

Got to dig out the rolls hidden in the fridge and dry cabinets... 8)


Edit: Another suggestion is that we go for a bulk purchase of film rolls (traditional BW or Velvia slides? I think the Velvia 50 is back again!) so we can share the shipping/cost from the already expensive rolls...

And how about a workshop afterwards involving developing these films? Just a thought...

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:04 pm
by gstark
Yi-P wrote:And how about a workshop afterwards involving developing these films? Just a thought...



Isn't that what I suggested in the second post in this thread? :)

But the bulk loading of film is a good idea, except that it means that everyone needs to be shooting with a 35mm camera.

We have a loader; we'd just need to get some film. If we are going to be doing our own developing, Velvia is not the best idea; FP4 will probably be the way to go.

Who owns any developing tanks, and what types?

Phillip? Matt?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:09 am
by sirhc55
What’s filum :lol:

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:28 am
by Reschsmooth
Paul wrote:I'll have my hands very full during Jan/Feb with the new bub but I'm sure I could sneak off for a Sat/Sun morning break. :wink:


Paul, unless you have the "equipment", there ain't much for you to do!! :wink: :wink: (don't tell Alicia I said that)

Paul wrote:Okay so if everyone thats interested can nominate a month they would prefer we can then narrow it down to a date from there.


Not June - April or July for me.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:38 am
by Reschsmooth
Gary, we a developing tank, dark bag and a few other bits and bobs.

In terms of bulk purchases of film, there is a bloke on ebay that I have bought film off a few times before - he has HP5 120 (5 rolls) for $35 and often has HP5 35mm for about $6 a roll or so.

I can confirm this price for 35 and can take orders for 35 or 120 (or 4x5/8x10)?? We have plenty of time to think about this.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:05 am
by gstark
Reschsmooth wrote:Gary, we a developing tank, dark bag and a few other bits and bobs.


That's a good start. What size tank? 2 x 135? And how many spools?

In terms of bulk purchases of film, there is a bloke on ebay that I have bought film off a few times before - he has HP5 120 (5 rolls) for $35 and often has HP5 35mm for about $6 a roll or so.


For this I'd be looking at buying a 30 meter roll, and a supply of cans. FP whatever would be better than HP5. What other film does he sell?

I can confirm this price for 35 and can take orders for 35 or 120 (or 4x5/8x10)?? We have plenty of time to think about this.


We do have some time. Does anyone have a working LF camera?

Looking at numbers/names ...

Paul,
Patrick,
Andre,
Jeff,
Phillip,
Trent,
Steve,
Geoff,
Y-ip.

Timing ... I'm thinking March or April, but within that sort of timeframe I'm also keeping in mind that there may also be some significant travel within that period as well.

;)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:28 am
by Reschsmooth
Gary,

I will have to check, but it is a 2x135/1x120/220 tank, two spools.

The guy sells a lot of different films - Fuji PRO, trannies, HP - will have to check to see if he has FP. I haven't tried it nor looked for it.

I can ask and get a quote on a larger quantity?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:31 am
by Killakoala
March or April is good for me. Jan and Feb are definitely not.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:54 am
by Yi-P
Reschsmooth wrote:I can ask and get a quote on a larger quantity?


Patrick, you planning to come along the day with an F5 and dispense film rolls in seconds?? :twisted:


Gary, March or April works for me, I think... Can't confirm until later next year. But for now, I have them free for the weekends.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:51 am
by Paul
March would be good for me, as April I have the family visiting plus the new season starts up.
I have 10 rolls of Fujifilm 100 speed Superia 24 exp on 35mm for anyone to use free of charge.
And I also have 5 rolls of Fujfilm 800 speed Superia X-TRA 24 exp on 35mm as well for free use.
The 800 might be bit too fast for a day meet unless we go somewhere dark and dank.. :twisted:

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:08 pm
by phillipb
If anybody is game enough, I have some kodachrome that you can have. Not only is it free, but the developing is also free from kodak.
Only problem is, the expiry date is November...





...1989 :shock: :)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:15 pm
by Alpha_7
I'm definitely it, it was after a conversation about my first (failed roll of film) through the Leica that Paul had the idea of a film event, I certainly can use all the help I can get :)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:15 pm
by trotkiller
Anytime is good for me

Will be able to bring a F50 and about 10 rolls of Era 100 B&W film (very cheap but reasonable Chinese film) if needed

I would be very interested in getting some cheap 120 rolls of FP4

Should also have a few tanks by then too if ebay is nice to me

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:57 pm
by Reschsmooth
Yi-P wrote:
Reschsmooth wrote:I can ask and get a quote on a larger quantity?


Patrick, you planning to come along the day with an F5 and dispense film rolls in seconds?? :twisted:

Who knows - I may have an F5 by then, but I don't plan on firing off a roll in about 5 seconds! :D

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:15 pm
by dawesy
Will keep an eye on this one and come along if the dates work out well. I'm out around Easter but aside from that don't know yet.

About time the K1000 took a spin, and while I'm happy to run through whatever we can process and get my hands dirty I've been wanting to take some Velvia for a spin for ages.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:06 pm
by Reschsmooth
Just thought I woudl give this a bit of a bump as we are now mid-Jan, and March/April will be upon us quickly.

I have developed a few rolls over the last week or so and found that even water straight out of the tap is approaching 26 degrees at this time of year. My temp-compensation charts don't go that high! :!:

Gary, if you are still interested in bullk loading film, Vanbar have some Tri-X 400 for $62 and FP4 for $80 and Delta 100 for $90 (plus shipping).

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:44 pm
by gstark
Patrick,

Thanx for bumping this.

I'm thinking late Feb or early March for this; my first three weekends in feb are already fully occupied now.

They're 30M rolls that you're quotng from Vanbar? The Tri-X seems to be the way to go, but we're also going to be needing some cans.

We're also going to be needing a location to do the processing in/at. Thoughts?

I wouldn't be processing at those temps. Rather, use some icewater to bring the tapwater back down to something more workable. Consider buying a large-ish plastic tub, and filling that with water at your working temperature - 20C.

As you start to mix/dilute your chems, again try to work with water that is closer to your desired temperature, and use your tub as a bath to help try to keep things at a fairly constant and consistent temp.

If you find that your pre-dilute chems are also too warm, throw them (in their sealed bottles) into your bath, perhaps with the bath cooled down a further 2C from what you are wanting to work at. As the bath removes heat from the chems, its temperature will increase.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:22 pm
by Reschsmooth
gstark wrote:They're 30M rolls that you're quotng from Vanbar? The Tri-X seems to be the way to go, but we're also going to be needing some cans.


Yes, they are 30m rolls. I don't know where you can get the canisters from.


We're also going to be needing a location to do the processing in/at. Thoughts?


Not that can be posted here. Oh, you mean about location - I haven't given it thought yet. We obviously need access to running water, ventilation, bench space, etc and preferably free of dust.

I wouldn't be processing at those temps. Rather, use some icewater to bring the tapwater back down to something more workable. Consider buying a large-ish plastic tub, and filling that with water at your working temperature - 20C.

As you start to mix/dilute your chems, again try to work with water that is closer to your desired temperature, and use your tub as a bath to help try to keep things at a fairly constant and consistent temp.

If you find that your pre-dilute chems are also too warm, throw them (in their sealed bottles) into your bath, perhaps with the bath cooled down a further 2C from what you are wanting to work at. As the bath removes heat from the chems, its temperature will increase.


That's what I had to do - I was surprised at how warm the running tap water was, even at 9am yesterday morning!

Thanks for the tips, Gary.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:38 pm
by Yi-P
I'm more inclined to late Feb meet, since I'd have more time with the last week of Feb. But early March is still ok, as long as it is a weekend. :)

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:21 pm
by Alpha_7
I'd still keen even without the Leica which is visiting with rokkstar and any time after Feb 15th (when I get back from Egypt) would be great.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:33 am
by Reschsmooth
Alpha_7 wrote:I'd still keen even without the Leica...


Where's the fun in that?? :lol:

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:35 am
by Alpha_7
Reschsmooth wrote:
Alpha_7 wrote:I'd still keen even without the Leica...


Where's the fun in that?? :lol:


Well I do have other film bodies (I use the term very loosely, but I'd still like to learn about the developing side of things, and unless we can get Matt on a flight over here the Leica won't be back in my hot little hands till mid year, (I hope).

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:39 pm
by Reschsmooth
Alpha_7 wrote:
Reschsmooth wrote:
Alpha_7 wrote:I'd still keen even without the Leica...


Where's the fun in that?? :lol:


Well I do have other film bodies (I use the term very loosely, but I'd still like to learn about the developing side of things, and unless we can get Matt on a flight over here the Leica won't be back in my hot little hands till mid year, (I hope).



Ya dusting off the hasselblad? :D

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:28 pm
by Alpha_7
I wish!

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:27 am
by gstark
How does Saturday March 1 sound for this?

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:31 am
by radar
Good for me,

André

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:50 am
by Reschsmooth
gstark wrote:How does Saturday March 1 sound for this?


Pretty bad for me - I will be in Port Macquarie for that weekend.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:01 am
by gstark
Reschsmooth wrote:
gstark wrote:How does Saturday March 1 sound for this?


Pretty bad for me - I will be in Port Macquarie for that weekend.


Eek!

March 8 then?

Any later and we're into the first couple of F1 races (see my other post).

February is looking very full already with A1 + ABMF + Sheepie's, and thus the 23rd is the only date left in February, hence I'm thinking March may be better.

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:03 am
by trotkiller
I'm in for March 8th... or what ever date it ends up being

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:03 am
by Reschsmooth
I am confident that March 8 is ok with us/me :D

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:31 am
by radar
Sorry, March 8th is not good for me. There is a slim chance that I could go but I wouldn't be able to confirm till the week before.

Cheers,

André

Re: EOI - A Film Day out

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:19 pm
by james m
Can I get in on this

and March 8th is O.K with me.