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Suction Mounts ?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:49 am
by sikx5
G'day fellas,
I was wondering if anyone on here has used these types of mounts before:
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$35US from this site: http://www.rtsphoto.com/html/cullm2a.html


Im interested in using that type of mount, on the side of a car, to achieve these types of photos:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7882/sl0614mb.jpg

Ive been searching online(mainly eBay) but i cant seem to find any shops that sell that sort of item...

any help or advice would be much appreciated in finding one of those :)

Thanks
Shane

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:57 am
by cameraguy21773
The operative word here is "suc"! Take care and consider a window mount, available from a number of sources. Do you want to trust a D2x ($5000US) and a 200-400/2.8 ($5000US) to the device you picture here? I'll pass.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:05 am
by sikx5
cameraguy21773 wrote:The operative word here is "suc"! Take care and consider a window mount, available from a number of sources. Do you want to trust a D2x ($5000US) and a 200-400/2.8 ($5000US) to the device you picture here? I'll pass.


Thats what ive been thinking about, but to get that sort of photo, delay the shutter for 1-2sec, and do around 4-5km steadly, so i could be running after the camera with a hand underneath just incase...i know it sounds dodgey, but would like to give it a shot.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:33 am
by birddog114
sikx5
With that sucking mount is real "suck", you don't want to see your camera lies on the bitumen and in pieces, won't you?
Go for proper products as: Kirk, Wimberley, etc...

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:26 am
by Jonesy
wow... nice shot but I dont think I would trust one of those!

ps... you may want to check the FAQ and remove the pic in your sig!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:28 am
by huynhie
You could use the suction mount.....

only if you wrap your camera in about 10 layers of bubble wrap. :D

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:44 am
by gstark
Shane,

Manfrotto make some very decent mounts, both suction, and clamps, that will work for this type of thing. I'd be looking at the clamps, however, and also taking into serious account the weight of the gear I'd be mounting on the clamp.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:13 pm
by sikx5
thanks alot for the replys fellas.

Sorry about the sig, and size of the image, i wasnt aware of those rules. Fixed now though :).


Thanks for those suggestions, i was looking through the ranges they have, stumbled across this one:
http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/cache/of ... id=liv2415

Cant seem to find any clamp type mounts, still looking though.

Just need to find a dealer, would anyone be able to recommend any good online camera stores ?

Thanks.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:22 pm
by shaunus
very interested to see how you go as i am interested in the same sort of photography, so good luck and i will be looking forward to your posts.

not trying to hijack your post, heres a couple i took of my mates cars hand held. Planning on doing another shoot when i get my hands on a D200.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:30 pm
by sikx5
Very cool photos there mate !!

Im trying to get some of those shots out as well, still having trouble doing the panning shots though.

here are some pics i took towards the end of last year:
http://www.dslrusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13213

:D

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:46 pm
by shaunus
you had a little bit better subjects to shoot there :D

as for pan shots, what i find easy is to face the point (pretty much point your feet in the direction) where you want to take the photo and use AF-C with your D70. Move with the subject say left to right or right to left, but when you have taken the shot flow the car through.

Using multiple shot helps so you can just pick the best one.

this is a shot that i took up in darwin last year, it noticed that he was hitting the curb, so just set myself up there for a couple of laps.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:55 pm
by gstark
sikx5 wrote:Cant seem to find any clamp type mounts, still looking though.

Just need to find a dealer, would anyone be able to recommend any good online camera stores ?


Look for the Manfrotto Superclamp. Note that, like all Manfrotto parts, it's just a component of a system, and you'll still need a head of some sort.


And try vanbar.com,au

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:46 pm
by jerrysk8
dont use suction cups as they have no holding power at all. you want vaccuum cups. to get that kind of shot like in the first pic you'll need a bit more distance away from the car. many car photogs make their own crazy car rigs and are very secretive about how they make them and their shooting techniques. i'd show you my rig but then i'd have to kill you. to get started on your rig get your base parts from here http://store.yahoo.com/cinemasupplies/succupmoun.html

oh and if your worried that your camera might fall why not just get insurance?

checkout the pics from this ozzy car photog for some inspiration. http://www.eastonchang.com/

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:05 pm
by shaunus
that is a VERY impressive site that bloke has got

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:13 pm
by jerrysk8
if you like that check this guys site. used to shoot for tuning werks magazine. awesome pics. awesome post processing. however not aussie. http://ruji.net/

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:22 pm
by shaunus
nothing wrong with some german percision engineering,

want to get out there take some photos now :cry:

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:06 am
by kenny12
with all the vibration etc from the car, i woudln't trust suction mounts to hold it

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:55 am
by sikx5
Thanks alot for for the replys fellas, much appreciated.

jerrysk8 wrote:dont use suction cups as they have no holding power at all. you want vaccuum cups. to get that kind of shot like in the first pic you'll need a bit more distance away from the car. many car photogs make their own crazy car rigs and are very secretive about how they make them and their shooting techniques. i'd show you my rig but then i'd have to kill you. to get started on your rig get your base parts from here http://store.yahoo.com/cinemasupplies/succupmoun.html


Mate, that is absoultley the item i am after, its perfect, thank you so much for directing me there !!!! Just one small problem....They dont do international credit card orders, :x . Its got my started though, i know what to look for :D :D


jerrysk8 wrote:checkout the pics from this ozzy car photog for some inspiration. http://www.eastonchang.com/


Ive seen that blokes site before, some amazing photography, thats where i have been getting my ideas from, i love his work !!

jerrysk8 wrote:if you like that check this guys site. used to shoot for tuning werks magazine. awesome pics. awesome post processing. however not aussie. http://ruji.net/


Thanks for that link also, i lost that fellas link, i saw it once but i didnt bookmark it. Some amazing photography for sure...look at the price he charges as well :shock:

shaunus wrote:nothing wrong with some german percision engineering,

want to get out there take some photos now :cry:


hahaha me too, i cant wait till i get my hands on one of those mounts :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


cheers
shane

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:04 am
by gstark
sikx5 wrote:Mate, that is absoultley the item i am after, its perfect, thank you so much for directing me there !!!! Just one small problem....They dont do international credit card orders, :x . Its got my started though, i know what to look for :D :D


Where's the problem?

Most of their stuff is just stock Manfrotto gear, which you can buy here. Bogen is just the name that they use in the US, for some strange (typical unfathomable marketing) reason.

The rest is simply some extra stuff added to the Manfrotto stuff, but if you look closely through their cattledog, you should be able to work out what you need and just buy it locally.

FWIW, the mini ballhead that they use in some of these items comes as an option with the Manfrotto tabletop tripod, and it's quite good.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:38 am
by Matt. K
Suction mount is OK but be sure to have a safety line attached to the camera just in case it fails.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:48 am
by marcotrov
When you think about it companies like Manfrotto don't usually bring things out unless rigorously tested :) Having said that - my gear on a suction cap - like hell, unless i've also araldited the thing on the car body as well. :wink:
cheers
marco

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:58 am
by Jamie
I am using one of these atm..... http://stickypod.com/stickypod_propak.html

Its a friend of mines and he let me borrow it while he is overseas for a few months and ive only had one chance to have a play with it so far. Over all it is quite good and the suction is fantastic.