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Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:43 pm
by stubbsy
I have a problem with these two images of a pair of courting Gentoo Penguins. I really like both shots, but realistically think they are too similar - especially to go in a book of my trip that I'm going to work on next. Over the last 3 months I've kept coming back to them and I'm still ambivalent. Neither is ahead for me.

So I need your help... Which is the stronger image for you, and why?

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Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:50 pm
by bigsarg7
well IMO, i like them both and can understand your circumstances in trying to choose one, but if it were me i think I would use both, I think it kinda tells a story and only having one or the other wouldn't tell a full story to me. Well thats my opinion, but i love #2 so cute!!

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:04 pm
by Jenno
#2 is the stronger image for me Peter but #1 is a natural precursor for #2..so why not include both to tell the story..its like a comic strip :)

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:02 pm
by Aussie Dave
I have to agree....I think they would work wonderfully together.
Perhaps a square crop to each and displayed side by side, or one above the other.

If I were forced to pick one, I'd have to choose no. 2.

Really nice images and kudos on nailing the exposure in such a tough environment (all that snow/ice) with the subject being black & white. With these examples your book is sure to be absolutely fantastic!

Dave

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:12 pm
by Chaase
Both of them are fantasic, very slight weighting to #2 but as others have said try to use both.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:25 pm
by gstark
Peter,

I'd certainly be inclined to keep both as well.

As Dave suggested, a crop may be in order too, but unlike Dave's suggested square crop, I'd like to crop out about two thirds of the foreground at the bottom.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:29 pm
by Reschsmooth
For me, the two images separately aren't as strong as the story told or assumed by the combination of them both.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:58 pm
by chrisk
i love #2. i like it the way it is with no crop and personally i think it would lose its visual impact if you either cropped tighter or combined the images. the ice presents a perfect natural border and gives the impression of this sign of life in a vast expanse of nothingness. i would love to see this hanging somewhere in a very large size, its a really beautiful image.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:07 pm
by biggerry
Aussie Dave wrote:Perhaps a square crop to each and displayed side by side, or one above the other.
gstark wrote:As Dave suggested, a crop may be in order too, but unlike Dave's suggested square crop, I'd like to crop out about two thirds of the foreground at the bottom.


I also agree that both images should be kept, imo the are worlds apart purely based on the primary subject, the gentoos.

Crop wise, I see merits in Dave and Garys suggestion and a triptych could well be a winner in eitehr crop. However I would consider a pano style crop with both images in a triptych, one bottom. one top. I think the horizontal space provides enough information to convey the sense of space.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:52 pm
by Remorhaz
I might be a little different and suggest (if you havnt already planned it out) using the second image as the last shot in the book - it's got that warm leaving end of the story feel. Which would of coursenallow using the other image separately elsewhere.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:05 pm
by aim54x
You simply have to keep both!

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:05 am
by colin_12
I would keep the second as it says more to me. Much more. :cheers:

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:30 am
by surenj
both. dyptych. Maybe pano crops each with the birds centered. Then you can put the two pics on top of each other.

Fascinating behaviour!! :cheers:

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:08 am
by radar
Peter,

both are great but some kind of a crop would be in order. I suspect you may have a third shot of their interaction action, can you put together a triptych?

If I had to pick one, I would pick #2 but they do go together to tell a story.

André

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:08 pm
by glamy
I would keep #2 if I could not use both. The second one is more moving when seen with the other one.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:18 pm
by surenj
Ah Ignore my idea, I've tried it and it doesn't work! :chook:

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:58 pm
by phillipb
Remorhaz wrote:I might be a little different and suggest (if you havnt already planned it out) using the second image as the last shot in the book - it's got that warm leaving end of the story feel. Which would of coursenallow using the other image separately elsewhere.


Actually I would go one step further and use No.1 as the front cover and No.2 as the back cover. The empty space is perfect for titles etc.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:38 am
by the foto fanatic
I agree with Peter's original assessment that only one of these images is necessary for the project. I'm sure the other one would get a run somewhere else.

That said, I just love #2.

The backs of the penguins are solid black, whereas the fronts are white. The black has a better contrast against the snow/ice in the photo. In addition, seeing the male's arm around the female and the way she is leaning towards the male make a more "aww!" feeling than the other, IMHO.

Should be a great book!

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:59 pm
by biggerry
phillipb wrote:
Remorhaz wrote:I might be a little different and suggest (if you havnt already planned it out) using the second image as the last shot in the book - it's got that warm leaving end of the story feel. Which would of coursenallow using the other image separately elsewhere.


Actually I would go one step further and use No.1 as the front cover and No.2 as the back cover. The empty space is perfect for titles etc.


:agree:

good idea :up:

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:10 pm
by gstark
biggerry wrote:
phillipb wrote:
Remorhaz wrote:I might be a little different and suggest (if you havnt already planned it out) using the second image as the last shot in the book - it's got that warm leaving end of the story feel. Which would of coursenallow using the other image separately elsewhere.


Actually I would go one step further and use No.1 as the front cover and No.2 as the back cover. The empty space is perfect for titles etc.


:agree:

good idea :up:


I'd go so far as to say brilliant.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:46 pm
by ATJ
:agree:
Add another vote for #1 on the front cover and #2 on the back.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:28 pm
by Big V
For me number two is a much stronger image by far. Thats the one I would keep.

Re: Which to keep?

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:04 pm
by ozimax
Absolutely brilliant Stubbsy. Keep both. Maybe a duel view arrangement? ( eg what's the duo version of a triptych, a diptych?)

These photos are amazing, I can imagine Pingu getting a talking by his mother and then it's all over and away they walk...