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Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:36 pm
by biggerry
I always recognized that taking and processing images with snow in them would be tricky - I am keen for some feedback on a few of these in particular with regard to colour balance / white balance.

Thoughts, good, bad, brown or offwhite ?

The start of long walk (thru water:) )

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Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:49 pm
by aim54x
Cant comment about colours...but these are looking very nice!

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:13 pm
by Geoff M
I am looking at these on an uncalibrated laptop screen so take that into consideration with my comments.

Addressing the white balance I think they all look OK with exception of perhaps #2 where the snow looks a little grey.

#1 Nice compo and leading lines. The angle of the hill on the right gives me a feeling that the horizon is not level - but of course it is not the case.

#2 is very nice and while I like the water movement in #1 this image has more appeal with the slower shutter speed and the resultant mikly water effect. I reckon some judicial cropping to just above the grass stems in the lower left would make the compo stronger but to keep the same aspect ratio (which I think you need) will of course remove some detail from either the left, right or both sides. This would possibly detract from the image.

#3 is my pick of the bunch, nice compo, reflection, cloud formation, green stuff :wink: , its got everything going for it.

#4 I like too. do you have a landscape orientated version with this inlet/outlet in the same position within the frame?

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:46 pm
by stubbsy
Gerry

Like Geoff I think only #2 has real WB issues - a bit on the blue grey side on my monitor (perhaps even a magenta hint). Likewise the water.

Compositionally though #2 is the standout. Oddly #3 which should appeal doesn't and I hate to say it, bit I think it's the crop. I'd have liked more rule of thirds with the reflecting line on the lower third I think.

The last image needs a focal point (someone / something at the snow line perhaps) as my eye jumps between the top and bottom halves which are essentially two very different images in their own right.

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:00 pm
by aim54x
I am happy to confirm what Stubbsy has said RE WB

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:22 pm
by Remorhaz
Lots of WB feedback already

As far as like factor for the images - for me they got better as we went down.

The first doesn't do anything for me, the second is better - but it's really the silky water which is doing it for me - I actually like a horizontal pano crop of the middle!

The third - no we are talking - I unfortunately don't agree with Peter with the ROT crop - I like seeing the pebbles clearly at the bottom :)

... and #4 is the winner for me - I reckon there's the tiniest tinge of magenta/brown in the clouds just up from the middle and in the grass at the bottom (but not the snow) - nothing onerous for me tho

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:02 pm
by robert
Remorhaz wrote:
As far as like factor for the images - for me they got better as we went down.

The first doesn't do anything for me, the second is better - but it's really the silky water which is doing it for me - I actually like a horizontal pano crop of the middle!

The third - no we are talking - I unfortunately don't agree with Peter with the ROT crop - I like seeing the pebbles clearly at the bottom :)

... and #4 is the winner for me - I reckon there's the tiniest tinge of magenta/brown in the clouds just up from the middle and in the grass at the bottom (but not the snow) - nothing onerous for me tho



Same, really like the 4th though can see the point about lack of focal point- but personally i find that a very hard task- sometimes you just have to use the lines (stream) to lead to something beyond (the vista). I think thats what' separates my shots from ones that grab your attention. Kind of like my shots are just digital reproduction and not quite something artisitic and interpretive of the scene.

Unlike the Seascapes which commonly use the ND, this set has got me wanting something heavier than just my polariser dropping a few stops. Dont think i need varaible but something like an ND400.
Nice stuff Gerry,

Robert

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:49 pm
by biggerry
Thanks for the feedback regarding the WB/colour issues guys, its appreciated.


Geoff M wrote:#2 is very nice and while I like the water movement in #1 this image has more appeal with the slower shutter speed and the resultant mikly water effect.

Remorhaz wrote:but it's really the silky water which is doing it for me


silky water lovers :roll: :wink:


Geoff M wrote:I reckon some judicial cropping to just above the grass stems in the lower left would make the compo stronger but to keep the same aspect ratio (which I think you need) will of course remove some detail from either the left, right or both sides. This would possibly detract from the image.


Yes, I see where your coming from here, I will have a look at that and see ho wit plays out with the top side too, cheers Geoff.

Remorhaz wrote:- I actually like a horizontal pano crop of the middle!


a crop from the middle ehh.. interesting, whilst not quite what you are referring to the image below does play on that wider view a bit more.

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Geoff M wrote:#3 is my pick of the bunch, nice compo, reflection, cloud formation, green stuff , its got everything going for it.


cheers Geoff, just needs a wider view imo.

Geoff M wrote:#4 I like too. do you have a landscape orientated version with this inlet/outlet in the same position within the frame?


I do, however have not yet processed it, it did not jump out at me, I will however have a look and advise :)

stubbsy wrote:Compositionally though #2 is the standout. Oddly #3 which should appeal doesn't and I hate to say it, bit I think it's the crop. I'd have liked more rule of thirds with the reflecting line on the lower third I think.


I agree regarding the 3rd, I actually thought I had taken a few more frames extra on both sides but seemed to have a brain fade at the time and missed half teh shots - the original intent was a wider pano which may have given a different impact (better) for the position of teh horizon.

stubbsy wrote:The last image needs a focal point (someone / something at the snow line perhaps) as my eye jumps between the top and bottom halves which are essentially two very different images in their own right.

Fair call - i will bring a blow-up model next time (thats all I could probably carry ;) )

Thanks for the feedback Peter.

Remorhaz wrote:The third - no we are talking - I unfortunately don't agree with Peter with the ROT crop - I like seeing the pebbles clearly at the bottom


Thanks Rodney, the super clear water and the subsurface matter was a primary part of this shot, however as mentioned, is was meant to be much wider which I think would have changed the impact for teh better.

Remorhaz wrote:... and #4 is the winner for me - I reckon there's the tiniest tinge of magenta/brown in the clouds just up from the middle and in the grass at the bottom (but not the snow) - nothing onerous for me tho


Cheers, a little selective adjustment and I will get rid of that.

robert wrote:Unlike the Seascapes which commonly use the ND, this set has got me wanting something heavier than just my polariser dropping a few stops. Dont think i need varaible but something like an ND400.
Nice stuff Gerry,


Robert, the world of ND's is a bit addictive for a number of reasons, one of which is the ability to really change the way a scene appears without banging it on the head with PP. If you have grad filters etc I would strongly recommend the slide in ND filters, they are much more user friendly than the circular screw in ones which can be overly annoying to use. This is where the vari-ND is good cause you can still compose with it on.

I have merely learnt to compose without looking thru the camera and taking one or two test shots at high iso to confirm, it works OK now but is still annoying.

Thanks for looking and commenting mate.

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:40 pm
by stubbsy
biggerry wrote:
stubbsy wrote:The last image needs a focal point (someone / something at the snow line perhaps) as my eye jumps between the top and bottom halves which are essentially two very different images in their own right.

Fair call - i will bring a blow-up model next time (thats all I could probably carry ;) )

As long as that's the sole use for the (ahem) model Gerry :-)

Re: Blue Lake (a cold one at that)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:38 am
by biggerry
Geoff M wrote:I reckon some judicial cropping to just above the grass stems in the lower left would make the compo stronger but to keep the same aspect ratio (which I think you need) will of course remove some detail from either the left, right or both sides. This would possibly detract from the image.


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Geoff M wrote: I like too. do you have a landscape orientated version with this inlet/outlet in the same position within the frame?


wider
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and wider :)

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