soxOZ wrote:gstark wrote:soxOZ wrote:I sent Poon an email to quote on a Nikon 28-70 f/2.8, and never received any reply…
Which, for members of this forum, is entirely the incorrect approach.
Well sorry but I didn’t see it and anyway,
FAQ ....
FAQ ...
FAQ ...
if Poon (HK Supplies) is a retailer, then what’s the problem,
I don't believe that he has a problem, and no, he is not a retailer. He has no shopfront, and no retail presence.
He's an ebay seller, and has been for a very long time. As such, he is well respected within the ebay community (they invite him to their gala functions), and beyond it, by people such as ourselves, to whom he sells, and people such as the HK government, because of the value of the trade he brings in to HK.
Perhaps you should do some research on how the relationship between HKS and this forum came to be? It's all here, in the forum. Search is your friend this time.
I wanted to buy and he wants to sells,
But he mainly sells through ebay. If you want to deal directly with him (and pay more), then by all means, buy through his ebay offerings.
Forum trades represent but a trifling amount of his turnover, and if you want to avail yourself of the special relationship that we have - which costs him money - then what is wrong with following a few simple guidelines?
And - importantly - what is wrong with acquainting yourself with those guidelines in the first instance?
gstark wrote:Let's just accept that he's a very busy person, and has also just lost a valuable staff member. I too find it very frustrating that he also sometimes fails to answer my emails. When that impacts upon an order, as it has this week, it becomes very ....
But I deal with it.
Excuse me,
“let just accept that he’s a very busy person” sorry that is no excuse for anything in business…So your saying Poon doesn’t answer all his emails, and only answers email when he feels like it,
Actually, I don't answer every email I get either. Especially as most of what I get is SPAM. And I don't believe that I'd get even 1% of the email that Poon would get.
Again, Poon is an ebay trader. He is not a retailer. Where is it decreed that he must respond to your email?
Again, his normal
mode of trading is through ebay, and I would imagine that messages that he gets through that medium are handled promptly and appropriately. Certainly, judging by his sales through that medium, that would appear to be the case.
So ... coming back to email, why should he respond to you, when he doesn't know who you are, and you're not addressing him from one of his recognised channels?
I’m glad that I never bought anything from him,
Cool. Please don't be offended then, if, when the time comes and you ask for full membership, that we decline. Please note that this will continue to restrict some of your posting activities, but that seems to be the path you wish to travel.
gstark wrote:When Poon is dealing with members of the forum, he tries to insist that they deal ... through the forum. As his prices to forum members are better than they are to Joe Public, that is surely in the members' interests?
OK that’s fine, but if I did go out side the boundary, it still would have just been common courtesy for Poon to reply to my email and say to go thru the forum for pricing or whatever, but to just simply not reply….. That’s just not acceptable; I don’t care what anybody says…
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. While I tend to agree, I also have an appreciation for how much SPAM one can see on a daily basis, and in view of the fact that you're beyond the boundaries of what's the accepted practice, whom might you suggest should be the person designated to accept the consequences of your actions, if not yourself?
gstark wrote: FWIW, I get requests, a daily basis, about ordering items from Poon. We have over 2500 members here, and most of the rest of them seem to have little difficulty in knowing what the correct procedure is, and whom they should contact.
Perhaps you should ask what was different in your case?
Ask what the difference is… And what is different in my case or is it that I’m not part of the boys club here, I don’t know….. But you obviously do….
Ah yes ... that old chestnut ...
Please show me where the boys club is ...
Let's get back to facts:
Q: Who failed to read the
FAQ?
A: You.
Q: Who failed to follow the procedures, procedures that have been in place for a very long time, and work for the vast majority of members ?
A: You.
Most members seem to understand the need for the procedures. They also even understand them, and they have no problems, at an appropriate juncture, asking that their membership level be adjusted in order that they may avail themselves of those processes, the extra posting privileges, and the bargains we have on offer.
I have approved many members after about one month's membership because they are easily able to demonstrate, within that month, membership of the community. That is rarely an issue.
OTOH, you come in, having been a member for a year, but have contributed not a bean, yet you seem to expect that you are the one who will set the standards, and make the rules. If that's what you want to do, then fine ... please go right ahead and start your own forum. Otherwise, I would ask that you read and respect those that we have in place here.
gstark wrote:However, if and when you get to read to the
FAQ, please pay careful attention to the bits about community participation. In the 12 months that you have been a member here, you have made a grand total of .... 16 posts.
That translates to just one-and-a-bit posts per month, and it's hardly a basis from which you can relate to any sort of community experience here, is it?
That you have been a member for that length of time, but you haven't read the
FAQ is, IMHO, something to not be too proud of, either.
As for me posting only 16 post YEAH..!!!!! Your right…. Why…. Because it’s hard to answer post when there is only an average of 1 a week (NIKON) and that’s a good week…. And I not interested in giving a 2 word reply to add to the amount of post I have… I only answer a post if it’s beneficial to the person who posted, and not a 2 word post giving some useless remark…
Your answer does not compute. We have an average of about 300 posts daily, over a wide variety of topics.
If you are choosing to restrict yourself to just the one forum section, then you are missing out on a whole array of useful information.
Now, I happen to believe that, in terms of photography, you are a relative newcomer - maybe over the last three years or so.
Many of us have been enjoying this craft for 30 or more years, and your failure to avail yourself of the wealth of knowledge and skill that is here, is exactly that: your failure.
And if you believe that you may know it all, with respect, you do not. I know none of the veterans here will make that claim, and anyone who does, is only fooling themselves.
So, again, the choice is yours: become an active member of the community - which will result in you acquiring new skills, techniques, and friends - or go your own merry way.
Well I guess that I’ve just been too busy to read the
FAQ…
With all due respect: bullshit!
You come here and criticise, but haven't taken a few minutes to acquaint yourself with our rules?
I might just rename you to .... hmmmm ....
gstark wrote:And IIRC, when you first joined, one of the
mods had a quiet word to you about your non-compliant signature. It originally contained photos, as well as chapter and verse on the gear that you own, as I recall. And it, today, in your post above, remains both too long, and beyond the scope of our guidelines for signatures.
May I respectfully ask that you now fix your own signature, before I do it for you.
And did I not fix it immediately as requested
Actually, at that time, you did not. You certainly addressed a part of the problem, but it was still not in compliance. Because you were a new member, the
mods discussed the situation, and decided to leave it for another day.
and now you say my signature doesn’t comply, well I have already changed it just as you requested, as it probably will be the last thing I do around here. You can’t even ask me politely to fix my signature, but make a threat….
Please see above: you had already been told that your sig was not in compliance. That was your first warning. My note yesterday was your second on the matter.
That you, by your own admission, have failed to read the
FAQ, despite its existence being drawn to your attention on a number of occasions, tells me much about you.
Given your vast input to these forums ...
as it probably will be the last thing I do around here
Tell me honestly if you believe you'll be missed?
Don't let the door hit you on the bum on the way out!You know, you must be one REALLY SOUR and GRUMPY dude,
Yep. Guilty as charged.
I really feel sorry for you…. From the first time I had any contact with you, you come across with such arrogance and hostility when I answered a post, but I managed to stay polite to you as I thought that I would try and become friends with people who are interested in photography in this country.
Oh, I love this ...
First of all, this is not about me. Get the facts straight.
YOU fail to read the
FAQ.
YOU fail to even acquaint yourself with the rules here.
YOU ALSO fail to acquaint yourself with even the most basic procedures that we have.
YOU, after about twelve months' membership, and virtually zero input to the community, start bitchin' and whinin' when I pick you up on some of the basic and fundamental flaws in your arguments and discussions.
And then now, you decide to blame me for all of your failings. As I said, I love it.
Now, if you have a problem with me, then by all means, send me a PM, or send one to one of the
mods. Any and all of them are good people, and will take up any issue for a member where they feel I'm wrong. It's happened before, and I'm sure it'll happen again.
In this case though, look closely at YOUR failings first.
I don’t know what makes you think you got the right to act the way you do,
Let's see ... here's a couple of clues for you ...
I own the licenses to the domain names ... I pay for the hosting services ... I maintain the code base ... I maintain the database ... I handle support for the forum ...
Would you care to hazard a guess?
but with that type of attitude, this site will never get any bigger as long as you post any reply’s to people asking for guidance…
Let's see ... 30 months ago we had 5 members, grew to about 14 within a week. Today we have over 2500 ... and we continue to grow at a rate that far exceeds my expectations. Which were, actually, zero.
What you still fail to understand is that most people, when asking for guidance, have already taken a few moments to do what you have stated that you were too damn busy to do.
You also seem to be under the misapprehension that I make money from this forum ... Let's do the math together: I pay for the domain names - six of 'em, right now. I pay for the hosting. I develop, test and implement any custom code. I maintain the site. I talk with the hosting company when there are issues. All of that costs me money and/or time.
Your total membership cost is .... er, um ... yeah that's right: you've been ripped off to the tune of exactly ... $0.00.
So ... given that this site is a cost centre to me, perhaps you'd care to elaborate on why it's an issue to you that the site not get any bigger?
You really need to have a close look at yourself, people come here to try and get advice or give advice to those who need it. But you only like to put people down with your self-importance and with your complete lack of consideration for others….
Again, you are so far out of the ballpark here that it's not even funny.
But that you're so far wrong 's not at all surprising, given your total failure to participate in the community here. Perhaps if you looked a little more thoughtfully beyond your lack of participation, you'd understand what really happens here.
And finally on this note, I will again point out that you, in trying to deflect the conversation towards me, are simply trying to pull the discussion off-topic.
The bottom line is very simple: you attacked the process that are in place without even, by your own admission, having a basic understanding of those processes.
I have tried to address your questions, and in so doing, I pulled you up on both your admitted failings in the area of understanding the rules, and also the area of your signature.
You are upset over those calls. That is understandable, but it is nobody's fault but your own that you have failed to read the
FAQ.
If you don't like the rules, fine. Go away.
I'm just curious if will you leave this post and not pull it, and if you do, then you have totally proved how right I am about what type of person you really are….
So, you have, yet again, just proven how wrong you are.
And what amazes me is that Damien had posted on “Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:25 am?” and had not received any reply in this forum from any of its member or you. But within an hour of me posting, you reply to both my comments which were only to try and help Damien and then you answered Damien, 3WEEKS after he asked for HELP
Yep.
I have a life beyond this forum.
So too do most of our members.
Nobody makes any claims to be able to read every post, although I suspect I've read a hell of a lot more than you have.
We have a list of the 50 most recent posts on the front page, and that is frequently reviewed by myself and the
moderation team.
But there is no guarantee that every post gets read, nor is there any guarantee that every post that warrants a response gets one. That's how things are.
Get over it.
Good Bye…..
Is that a promise?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:19 pm
