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				Calibrating monitors, is there a free and easy way?
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:07 am 
				by Thommo
				im pretty sure my moniter needs a good kick in the bum. its a sony lcd but im not convinced its displaying as best it could. so my question is, short of buying a spyder is there any easy way i can calabrate my moniter?
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:00 am 
				by Nnnnsic
				Go through the Adobe Gamma wizard... that's about all I can suggest.
I'm not sure why people buy Sony monitors... either LCD or CRT. In my experience, they're not that good and are usually just badge engineered Mitsubishis.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:14 am 
				by MattC
				Thommo,
Try Adobe Gamma, Quick Gamma... When you get sick of spending hours stuffing around, then buy a spyder! 
The above comment is intended to be constructive. For $200 you can have it all - monitor calibrated and profiled right, first time everytime, and it takes about 20 minutes. Spyders have never been so affordable.
Visual tools are subjective. It relies on the user to make a decision as to what is right and what is not based on what is the screen and with no external reference. I am no fan of these tools.
Cheers
Matt
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:52 am 
				by birddog114
				When you get sick of spending hours stuffing around, then buy a spyder
Matt,
 

 Lot of these creatures are hanging around outdoor 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:05 am 
				by Hlop
				Birddog114 wrote:When you get sick of spending hours stuffing around, then buy a spyder
Matt, 

 Lot of these creatures are hanging around outdoor 

 
That's what I've done when I've got sick of these free tools.
Birddog,
Those spiders don't have a proper interface to connect them to PC or Mac 
And, yes, I'm back 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:07 am 
				by birddog114
				Birddog, 
Those spiders don't have a proper interface to connect them to PC or Mac  
They have built in wifi and virtual connection 
  
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:07 am 
				by kipper
				Well I tried Adobe Gamma.  Went through and did what it said.  Nothing changed when I use the profile 
Oh and also Adobe Gamma, when it shows you a box that you have to adjust the slider with.  The slider is broken.  I ended up just putting a number in the textbox instead.
Not sure if there is a newer Adobe Gamma that works better, but this is the one that comes with Photoshop CS I think.
The Spyder thing is only $200?  Maybe I should go out and buy one.  I'll have to check my photo prints that I got the other day and compare them to the monitors interpretation first.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:10 am 
				by Hlop
				Birddog114 wrote:They have built in wifi and virtual connection 
  
 
Uh-huh. So, I hope you'll show us how it works next mini-meet 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:16 am 
				by Hlop
				kipper wrote:
The Spyder thing is only $200?  Maybe I should go out and buy one.  I'll have to check my photo prints that I got the other day and compare them to the monitors interpretation first.
http://www.ausmedia.com.au/calibration.htm
I've got ColorVision ColorPlus spider from these guys. It doesn't give you too much flexibility as a Spider Pro with OptiCAL or PhotoCAL but it's straght forward, simple and gives me good results
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:11 pm 
				by stubbsy
				Thommo
A couple of threads to look at:
http://forum.d70users.com/viewtopic.php?t=2297&highlight=
http://forum.d70users.com/viewtopic.php?t=2530&highlight=
http://forum.d70users.com/viewtopic.php?t=2921&highlight=
As Hlop says the ColorVision is not to bad and it's a reasonable price.  I have one and am happy with the price.  Like you I originally tried free solutions, but could never get the results I wanted.  Now I can, but it cost  

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:58 pm 
				by Nnnnsic
				However, it could cost more.
Be happy you're a PC user. Mac users don't get it as inexpensively as we do.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:20 pm 
				by Onyx
				Just gauging interest... anyone want in a bulk buy? If I'm able to source them from HK - and shipped to Birdy. Should be able to get the Spyder 2 for around the price of the lowly Spyder.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:24 pm 
				by the foto fanatic
				I'd certainly be interested in this Onyx.
Thanx for offering to facilitate.
Hope you are enjoying HKG.
Trevor
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:27 pm 
				by sheepie
				Onyx wrote:Just gauging interest... anyone want in a bulk buy? If I'm able to source them from HK - and shipped to Birdy. Should be able to get the Spyder 2 for around the price of the lowly Spyder.
Let's see what you can do 

   Am certainly interested if I can afford it at the time.
Thanks Onyx - good that you can stay in touch while over there 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:51 pm 
				by Paul
				Oynx, I would also be interested in this.
Let us know what sort of price you can achieve this for.
Any pictures from HKG yet?
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:07 pm 
				by Hlop
				Onyx wrote:Just gauging interest... anyone want in a bulk buy? If I'm able to source them from HK - and shipped to Birdy. Should be able to get the Spyder 2 for around the price of the lowly Spyder.
Aw. That's intersting. If the final price will be $250 australian or less I'd  buy one
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:55 pm 
				by stubbsy
				Onyx wrote:Just gauging interest... anyone want in a bulk buy? If I'm able to source them from HK - and shipped to Birdy. Should be able to get the Spyder 2 for around the price of the lowly Spyder.
Onyx - terrible, terrible idea - don't do this to me.  I've just bought a lowly Spyder and now this  

   I might have to buy another one  

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:02 pm 
				by MCWB
				Nice one Chi, I'd almost certainly be in on that! 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:02 pm 
				by Nnnnsic
				Would the Spyder come with both Mac and Windows drivers?
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:04 pm 
				by kipper
				Onyx, let us know on a final price and I'll get back to you.  I'm certainly looking at monitor calibration at the moment.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:05 pm 
				by birddog114
				stubbsy wrote:Onyx wrote:Just gauging interest... anyone want in a bulk buy? If I'm able to source them from HK - and shipped to Birdy. Should be able to get the Spyder 2 for around the price of the lowly Spyder.
Onyx - terrible, terrible idea - don't do this to me.  I've just bought a lowly Spyder and now this  

   I might have to buy another one  

 
You've gone too quick! and we're going to get the new ver. 2.0 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:15 pm 
				by stubbsy
				Gee thanks birddog, you really know how to cheer a guy up 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:33 pm 
				by sheepie
				Stubbsy - If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's this:
If you are about to buy something, stop - look - wait.  For sure, within a week of you buying it, you'll be able to get it at a fraction of the price from this forum!
 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:39 pm 
				by nigels
				Hi Guys
Definitely interested, having many probs.
Nige
			 
			
		
			
				Count me in
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:45 pm 
				by ru32day
				Please put me on the list of interested parties for a bulk buy
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:51 pm 
				by leek
				I'd love a Spyder to help 
calibrate my monitor 
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:26 pm 
				by digitor
				I'd definitely be interested in a bulk buy!  Put my name down please.
Cheers
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:34 pm 
				by birddog114
				I'm trying to negotiate in a deal of 20 or 50.
Stay tuned
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:00 pm 
				by Onyx
				Just got an email back from "Jacky Leung" of Shriro (HK). I initally asked about the cost for quantity of 10 - I might extend the order to 20 to cover members' demand so far. I'm enquiring about the Spyder 2, as seen here: 
http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profi ... jsp?id=101
US RRP is $189, street price of $179. Jacky hasn't given me an indication of price so far, but I'm hoping to get it landed in Aust for $AU240-250ish. Cross yer fingers.  

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:06 pm 
				by birddog114
				Onyx wrote:Just got an email back from "Jacky Leung" of Shriro (HK). I initally asked about the cost for quantity of 10 - I might extend the order to 20 to cover members' demand so far. I'm enquiring about the Spyder 2, as seen here: 
http://www.colorvision.com/profis/profi ... jsp?id=101US RRP is $189, street price of $179. Jacky hasn't given me an indication of price so far, but I'm hoping to get it landed in Aust for $AU240-250ish. Cross yer fingers.  

 
Hey Onyx,
Watch out at that price in Aussie dollar, you don't take in account of shipping, GST + Customs charges, if you ship it by individual, so not too worry, but do the bulk shipping (10 or 20 or 50) then you have to think of the guys in blue, they never let you go free!
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:01 pm 
				by Onyx
				Yes Birdy, my estimate was inclusive of postage, GST, customs duties. etc etc. per unit. (ie. as mentioned "landed in Aust" price, not "straight HK converted to Aust $" price).
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:02 am 
				by birddog114
				Onyx,
Street price is US$179.00 = AU$231.00, GST = $23.10 = AU$254.10
Then add freight + Customs Charges of $52.00 if the total cost of shipping is exceeded AU$1K, so my estimate is around AU$270.00 - $280.00 with today rate at 0.78.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:47 am 
				by Hlop
				Birddog114 wrote:Onyx,
Street price is US$179.00 = AU$231.00, GST = $23.10 = AU$254.10
Then add freight + Customs Charges of $52.00 if the total cost of shipping is exceeded AU$1K, so my estimate is around AU$270.00 - $280.00 with today rate at 0.78.
Is it street price for one piece? If it is, then take in account some bulk buying discount and we'll have price about 250. I hope 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:55 am 
				by JordanP
				hmmm watching with interest .... 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:37 pm 
				by Onyx
				Birddog114 wrote:Onyx,
Street price is US$179.00 = AU$231.00, GST = $23.10 = AU$254.10
Then add freight + Customs Charges of $52.00 if the total cost of shipping is exceeded AU$1K, so my estimate is around AU$270.00 - $280.00 with today rate at 0.78.
I seached some Aussie sites, Vanbar have it at $AU378, Kayell at $360. 
I'm hoping price in HK to be less than street price of US (as consistent with every other item here, including US sourced snack food - eg. Pringles), plus volume consideration... hope to be able to get it landed at ~$100 less than AU street prices.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:41 pm 
				by birddog114
				Onyx wrote:Birddog114 wrote:Onyx,
Street price is US$179.00 = AU$231.00, GST = $23.10 = AU$254.10
Then add freight + Customs Charges of $52.00 if the total cost of shipping is exceeded AU$1K, so my estimate is around AU$270.00 - $280.00 with today rate at 0.78.
I seached some Aussie sites, Vanbar have it at $AU378, Kayell at $360. 
I'm hoping price in HK to be less than street price of US (as consistent with every other item here, including US sourced snack food - eg. Pringles), plus volume consideration... hope to be able to get it landed at ~$100 less than AU street prices.
 
Onyx,
Yeah, I know what you meant, but you have to be realistic, the exchange rate won't settle there, conversion fees in between US$ and HKG$ same as other factors, you have to allow at least 5-10% variation in importing goods into Australia today.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:48 pm 
				by Onyx
				PM/emails sent to all indicated interested parties above - plz email me at 
dr.cbtan@gmail.com for confirmation of numbers, and any others that want to order a Spyder 2 email me there so I have definite numbers for the order.
As indicated, my estimates were a little aggressive - perhaps I think too optimistically and Birddog the pessimist was right. 

 Birddog's also bankrolling this operation, so let's have this wrapped up and quickly as possible so he's not out of pocket for long, and we can all enjoy correctly calibrated monitors 
ASAP.
* Compat with Mac & PC (need a USB port).
* All OS supported (as indicated by Colorvision website).
* ver #2 probably a slight revision on the original Spyder, however I don't know what so what you can read off the website is all I know too.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:28 pm 
				by Oneputt
				Mate recently had a spyder for trial we both did our monitors but none of the software worked so he sent the whole lot back. 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:53 pm 
				by Hlop
				Oneputt wrote:Mate recently had a spyder for trial we both did our monitors but none of the software worked so he sent the whole lot back. 

 
Could you give us bit more details and symptoms? What operation systems are? Video Cards? Monitors?
I've got ColorPLUS Spyder and use it on LCD monitor and on laptop - works well on both. But before I've bought this one, I borrowed Spyder with PhotoCAL and OptiCAL software from my mate (he uses it on CRT screen) and tried on my LCD - very good results.
OS: WinXP
Video: ATI radeon 9700 PRO
Monitor: old and simple BenQ FP767
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:56 pm 
				by birddog114
				Hlop wrote:Oneputt wrote:Mate recently had a spyder for trial we both did our monitors but none of the software worked so he sent the whole lot back. 

 
Could you give us bit more details and symptoms? What operation systems are? Video Cards? Monitors?
I've got ColorPLUS Spyder and use it on LCD monitor and on laptop - works well on both. But before I've bought this one, I borrowed Spyder with PhotoCAL and OptiCAL software from my mate (he uses it on CRT screen) and tried on my LCD - very good results.
OS: WinXP
Video: ATI radeon 9700 PRO
Monitor: old and simple BenQ FP767
 
Hilop,
hehehe! perhaps he used the ones I mentioned earlier in this thread 

 virtual with wifi built in 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:49 am 
				by Onyx
				I've just been informed of a MUCH better deal via PM. 
PS. If you find something that may be of benefit to others, please post in public! I'm sure no one will mind the potential to save money.
Anyway, Adorama currently have it tagged at $179.95 and out of stock. However clicking the 'buy now' button yields a much more favourable price of $149.95 plus $40 UPS International to Aust. As it is backordered, you may be left waiting for an uncertain amount of time, but it's a significant cost saving than what I was tentatively able to achieve even in quantity.
So, I propose to cancel the bulk buy and instead urge those members who're interested to patronise Adorama instead. (yes, you will be asked to fax your CC and proof of address by Adorama before shipment; but it's a necessary evil and they're doing it for YOUR benefit). 
NB: I have no affliation with the company Adorama other than being a repeat customer.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:13 am 
				by stubbsy
				Onyx
Adorama is where I bought the ColorVision ColorPlus.  Their price for that is US$99 
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?page=searchresults&searchinfo=colorplus and it's in stock.  Add freight of $40 makes US$139 - makes it close to aussie price (esp if + GST + Customs), but if there are other goodies you want then it's an attractive deal (which is what I did).  Same if you buy multiples since the freight only goes up slightly.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:48 pm 
				by W00DY
				Let's get this thread going again...
I have just found that AusMedia have the ColorVision Spyder 2PRO for only $375.77 AUD (Delivered). They are out of stock but apparently getting them next week.
I am not sure what their price on the ColorVision Spyder2 is though (they only have the PRO listed on their website).
From my research this is a pretty good price as most of the other australian sites have them listed at $560!!!!!
Hopefully I'll order one next week.
Cheers,
W00DY
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:59 pm 
				by MCWB
				W00DY, I bought the Colorvision Spyder2 from Adorama, US$189 including shipping to my door, around AUD$250. Only took a few days to get here too (ordered Wednesday IIRC, received it Tuesday). Couldn't recommend it more, one of the best things I've purchased! 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:03 pm 
				by W00DY
				MCWB wrote:W00DY, I bought the Colorvision Spyder2 from Adorama, US$189 including shipping to my door, around AUD$250. Only took a few days to get here too (ordered Wednesday IIRC, received it Tuesday). Couldn't recommend it more, one of the best things I've purchased! 

 
Do you get the Spyder 2 or the Spyder 2 PRO???
Do you know if there is much difference (other than price)???
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:23 pm 
				by W00DY
				Scrap my previous posts...
The AusMedia website is very confussing... 
They actually list the Spyder 2 as the Spyder 2 PRO and the Spyder 2 PRO as the Spyder 2 PRO Studio....
So it is still cheaper to buy from Adorama (which I will be doing).
Cheers,
W00DY
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:09 pm 
				by W00DY
				Have just ordered the Spyder2 from Adorama.
Let's see how long it takes to get here.
W00DY
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:11 pm 
				by stubbsy
				W00DY wrote:Have just ordered the Spyder2 from Adorama.
Let's see how long it takes to get here.
W00DY
From my experience ordering my Spyder from them you'll have it before the end of next week.
 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:16 pm 
				by birddog114
				stubbsy wrote:W00DY wrote:Have just ordered the Spyder2 from Adorama.
Let's see how long it takes to get here.
W00DY
From my experience ordering my Spyder from them you'll have it before the end of next week.
 
Heap of them in your garden, and quick! 
  
 also FOC 

 
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:16 pm 
				by W00DY
				Good turn around time.
I would be happy with a week's delivery time.
Cheers,
W00DY