DJT wrote:There was no mention at all in the original post of the word "lights",
You are correct, that's what I get for speed reading while at work.
and I made an assumption, because Gray mentioned that the studio would be used when natural lighting was not adequate(my interpretation)
And actually, that's also not quite what was said. The interpretation I took was that they wanted to make images regardless of whatever the natural light might be. But within any room, the "natural" light might include window light, which might include direct sunlight, or a nicely diffused southlight, and may or may not be supplemented by roomlighting. While the term "mother nature"was specifically mentioned, we often, within the context of indoors shooting, forget to realise that there are some internal lights that may be affecting what we're actually seeing and recording.
We haven't yet taken the discussion down that path (or at least I haven't) and for a very good reason; I'll come to that later in this post.
i just don't get the direction you have taken, when I feel you (and others) have the experience to offer suggetions for and against of what a beginner could use in setting up a studio (Lights, Tripod, whatever), then they could hopefully use their better judgement as to what they require and how much $$$ they can or can't spend.
Ok, it's
later now.
I'm not a salesperson, and I refuse to simply go down the typical sales oriented path of trying to tell a person what I think they need. Not without doing a little bit of digging first. I like to understand the real problem first, and it's the real problem that I try to address, rather than the problem a person thinks they might be facing.
We see that frequently here, where people ask questions about a solution they're trying to find. Sometimes, we can address that and no worries, but too often we need to take a step back and look at the fundamental problem, rather than a pre-conceived solution. This is one such case.
But there's more; I see myself as an educator as well. I know a few others here also see themselves in a similar manner, and that is good. Within that context, any education being proferred needs to be done, IMHO, in smallish chunks, a little at a time, and especially so via a medium such as this. I need to know that the message I'm offering is being understood by the intended recipient, and that means that I need to go perhaps a little more slowly than might seem reasonable. I try very hard to tread a line between not being condescending towards that intended recipient, but I still need to know where they're at.
The underlying precept though is that to give the best advice, I need to know certain items, but I am of the opinion that the recipient needs to be able to understand where I'm coming from when I ask my questions. That might mean that I may ask some pointed questions, but I've not asked anything in this thread that I would not ask of a person directly to their face. The difference though is that, if I asked these questions directly, we'd be done in less than two minutes. The nature of the forums, and individuals' access to them, says that sometimes this two minute dialogue will take three days or a even a week. That's not an issue for me. I can wait.
If you look carefully at the questions, you might observe that I'm trying to direct thoughts on the part of the recipient: I want them - I need them - to seriously think about where they want to take their photography. This adds value and depth to the discussion, rather than detracts from it, IMHO.
Further: the statement is made that he (or she) owns a D50, but we have no knowledge of what glass is owned. With that knowledge, what glass would you suggest they acquire for use in the studio?
I simply cannot answer that question, and even with the knowledge of the glass that they currently have, I would also like to know the size of the room - the space available - to offer meaningful advice on this, as some lenses may simply be too long to be of any practical use within smaller spaces.
Wouldn't it have been better to ask these questions earlier on in the piece then
No, not really. Again, the underlying "problem" hasn't yet been fully identified. I still don't fully understand the question, and I don't think that gray_t does either.
We have yet, for instance, to understand why they want to set up a small studio: what's their motivation for this?
And no, I don't think that's me being disrespectful towards anyone either. I do accept that many people would like to have a small "studio" in their home, whatever that might mean. I do also believe that many people would also like to be professional photographers. I also happen to believe that many people are of the belief that they're far better photographers than they actually are, and that is what leads to the two former points in this paragraph.
I'm perfectly happy to answer the questions, but I do like to try to answer the correct questions.
I simply don't want people to think that they need to buy some lights or a better camera or a netter tripod to make them a better photographer. Do you believe they should?
Not at all, I find it hard to believe that people would do that, but I guess some do
More than you might believe.
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:11 pm
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will be too long to be useful most of the time.
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our daughter has been crook & not sleeping (my problem not yours) so I will try tyo refrain from posting when in this condition from now on