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Paired with 50 f1.4 & 135 F2

More light with the 35mm or more flexibility and less light with the 16-35? cant decide on buying the prime or the uwa lens

cheers
kris

16-35 without question, for me...

still havent decided hey kris? did you sell your 24-70? i would go for the 16-35

Kris,

After just coming back from the UK myself, I can suggest you go the UWA. I was walking around with my 30mm on and wanted more. So I ended up switching back to the kit lens ( to get 18mm ).

Some building and landmarks you just can't get back far enough or fit it all in.

Cheers,

Michael, nup! continual battle!

24-70 on ebay right now, I hope for $1600

35mm on a 5D is pretty wide its like 24mm on a 1.6x crop but yes, wide wide would be handy! Think 35mm is wide enough on FF in a church? the extra 2 stops is handy...

And the link.....
The wife won't allow $1600 but I'm keen to watch.

Cheers,

16-35 for sure.

Travelling without some kind of UWA lens (and I do not consider 35mm all that wide) is something I am sure anyone would regret.

Anyway, f/2.8 is easily fast enough. I can't remember the last time I shot at f/4 under 25mm or so with my 17-40... PS. Why are you selling your 24-70?

oli wrote:16-35 for sure.

Travelling without some kind of UWA lens (and I do not consider 35mm all that wide) is something I am sure anyone would regret.

Anyway, f/2.8 is easily fast enough. I can't remember the last time I shot at f/4 under 25mm or so with my 17-40... PS. Why are you selling your 24-70?

Never in a dim church or indoors? I shoot wide open on my 50m alot, and always want lower than f2.8 when its darkish!

I think i will grab the 16-35 over the prime... more vesatile..

Kris wrote:Never in a dim church or indoors? I shoot wide open on my 50m alot, and always want lower than f2.8 when its darkish!

I think i will grab the 16-35 over the prime... more vesatile..

If I'm indoors and shooting wide (like under 30mm) I can handhold to quite low shutter speeds - and I'm usually at ISO1600 or so anyway. So I try and stop it down to f/5.6 at least for increased DOF and sharpness.

Fair enough shooting wide open with a 50mm - that is a much longer lens though (in comparison to the short end of a 16-35 or 17-40).

Im hopeless I shake alot

Ok, 16-35 it is!!!

Get a gorillapod too - they look funny enough that you can often get away with using them in "no tripods" areas

If it's not 100% urgent maybe wait a couple of months and get the mkII version of the 16-35 - it's noticably nicer for full frame users.

Moz, the MK II is what I will get. You can buy it now from numerous US based retailers like B&H

Do they actually have it in stock though? I thought it was not available for another month or so...

Ordered mine yesterday..

When you receive it would you do me a favour and tell me how much it costed you in total (including all the extra costs involved when it enters the country).

oli wrote:When you receive it would you do me a favour and tell me how much it costed you in total (including all the extra costs involved when it enters the country).

add 10% for GST on the value of the goods and shipping and if its shipped via UPS add another $65 for teir handling fee for customs and use the rate of say .7975 for conversion.

Kris wrote:Ordered mine yesterday..

I just sent money through to Poon now that he has them. Can't wait to see what it's like

michael_ wrote:

oli wrote:When you receive it would you do me a favour and tell me how much it costed you in total (including all the extra costs involved when it enters the country).

add 10% for GST on the value of the goods and shipping and if its shipped via UPS add another $65 for teir handling fee for customs and use the rate of say .7975 for conversion.

hmmm .....

Michael_ ... you've not yet had the pleasure of dealing with Poon, have you?

Gary, Have you had many/any items come through from poon and been charged gst of late?

Kyle,

I have yet to see even one.

Sweet


I feel a reduction in my bank balance by about 2k coming on

gstark wrote:

michael_ wrote:

oli wrote:When you receive it would you do me a favour and tell me how much it costed you in total (including all the extra costs involved when it enters the country).

add 10% for GST on the value of the goods and shipping and if its shipped via UPS add another $65 for teir handling fee for customs and use the rate of say .7975 for conversion.

hmmm .....

Michael_ ... you've not yet had the pleasure of dealing with Poon, have you?

i havent, and based on your subsequent replies it looks like i will be

gstark wrote:Kyle,

I have yet to see even one.

No matter how many times I tell people this, they all tell me I'll ALWAYS be subject to it! Know it all's. My 135 F2 came through without GST, I'm sure the 16-35 MK II will be the same and the 70-200 F2.8 IS I'm just about to pull the trigger on

That price cannot be beat. It's cheaper than used jobbies going on ebay. Well done Gary/Poon

i dont think its a case of Know it alls Kris, Poon obviously puts it down as a gift to get away with not paying GST, 99/100 times if you were to buy from say B&H or Adorama you will pay GST so if people are basing their replies on BH/Adorama its hardly a case of them being 'konw it alls'

michael_ wrote:i dont think its a case of Know it alls Kris, Poon obviously puts it down as a gift to get away with not paying GST, 99/100 times if you were to buy from say B&H or Adorama you will pay GST so if people are basing their replies on BH/Adorama its hardly a case of them being 'konw it alls'

These are HKG sellers, not B&H. B&H users get stung because of the postage method and the fact the invoices are marked with full costs.

Kris wrote:....and the fact the invoices are marked with full costs.

Which is the legal way of doing it. Customs should know that value of this stuff anyway.

Kris wrote:No matter how many times I tell people this, they all tell me I'll ALWAYS be subject to it! ... That price cannot be beat. It's cheaper than used jobbies going on ebay.

I think it's *should* be subject to it, but often you miss out. Even with gst, Poon's prices are usually better than overseas anway,

I would be happy to pay the gst. What would grump me out a bit is the day or two while the PTB faff about trying to decide whether to tell me that my new toy is here and where I have to go to pay the tax and pick it up.

moz wrote:

Kris wrote:No matter how many times I tell people this, they all tell me I'll ALWAYS be subject to it! ... That price cannot be beat. It's cheaper than used jobbies going on ebay.

I think it's *should* be subject to it,

Correct.

And yes, the authorities are well aware of the prices of things. I think it comes back to a cost/benefit analysis of this: what's the cost of collection, vs the value of what they're going to collect?

What I say is that for any order you place through here, you should factor the GST into your costings, and you should always expect to be hit for that cost. Then, if you get it, it is not a problem for you: you've expected it, and it's in your budget.

And if you don't happen to get hit .... consider it a bonus.

You should get the one-four as well, just "in case".

Kris, you mentioned in the opening post the 135mm F2. Is it as good as it's claimed to be? I thought it might be a bit long on a 30D? Ozi.

Ozi, more than likely a bit long but on the 5D its great! See the picture ZAAAP under the Images section, 135 F2 with no sharpening.

Hi Kris,
Whilst the 1.4 is VERY tempting - the flexibility whilst traveling is what you will gain. The 16-35 II looks to be a seriously tempting piece of kit - and I'm thinking I'm going to collect mine very soon.

Just so many new toys out with the 1D III - I'm actually going to pass along my 580EX "I" as well. Anyway - sorry getting OT - the zoom - all the way...

Cheers, Nathan.

Nathan Rodger wrote:Hi Kris,
The 16-35 II looks to be a seriously tempting piece of kit.
Cheers, Nathan.

16-35II gives remarkable results on the 1DMarkIII, not as effective on other bodies.

ekynox wrote:16-35II gives remarkable results on the 1DMarkIII, not as effective on other bodies.

Can you explain this a litte more please? I'd like to know what I'm missing by using one on a 30D instead of the 1DIII.

moz wrote:

ekynox wrote:16-35II gives remarkable results on the 1DMarkIII, not as effective on other bodies.

Can you explain this a litte more please? I'd like to know what I'm missing by using one on a 30D instead of the 1DIII.

Nothing. Its different on cropped bodies because the 16-35 variants and most other UWA's are soft in the corners by nature. Given you're using a crop you are elimating some of the softer edges. I don't think placing this lens on a 1D3 will be any different to any other camera. Naturally all bodies will work differently, one of the biggest factors is crop size.

Any cropped body will benefit from this, 20D, 30D, 1D MK III. The Full frame bodies will obviously show alot more of the frame and therefore more of the softer edges.