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iso looks amazing!

Jonathan

Impressive. I wonder how much relates to the quality of the photog! I'd like to see this camera in the hands of a amateur / pro-sumer...

bwhinnen wrote:Impressive. I wonder how much relates to the quality of the photog! I'd like to see this camera in the hands of a amateur / pro-sumer...

but why? wouldn't u want to see how the camera best performs rather than from a photog who is less competant and isn't able to use the camera to its full potential?

those out of camera jpgs at high iso are just

How about that church?

methd wrote:

bwhinnen wrote:Impressive. I wonder how much relates to the quality of the photog! I'd like to see this camera in the hands of a amateur / pro-sumer...

but why? wouldn't u want to see how the camera best performs rather than from a photog who is less competant and isn't able to use the camera to its full potential?

But even that is useless unless you can see that photographer's work with an older camera.

For all we know, the photos he took with a D2X were just as amazing.

oh dear
I thought a Nikon fan married a D3..

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Laurie wrote:oh dear
I thought a Nikon fan married a D3..

whoops

 ROFL, yeah it did some a bit like that didn't it.

losfp wrote:

methd wrote:

bwhinnen wrote:Impressive. I wonder how much relates to the quality of the photog! I'd like to see this camera in the hands of a amateur / pro-sumer...

but why? wouldn't u want to see how the camera best performs rather than from a photog who is less competant and isn't able to use the camera to its full potential?

But even that is useless unless you can see that photographer's work with an older camera.

For all we know, the photos he took with a D2X were just as amazing.

it's hard with smaller photos, but i'm looking at the high iso, grain, colour, WB, among other things ralated to the 'camera', rather than the composition and non-technical features which is photographer dependant.

I'm talking exposure. Someone that knows what they are doing will get fantastic high ISO images, unlike someone that doesn't. It is the case of doesn't that interests me. Even the D200 can get reasonable high ISO images when exposed correctly...

I'm not looking at the composition or PP techniques I want to see how the high ISO really stacks up. By those photos it looks brilliant.

Cheers
Brett

Exposure is photographer dependant. The photos are exposed at what the settings are inputted in the camera.

Even if it comes down to setting the camera on A or S priority, the photographer will have to set some compensation either way according to lighting conditions.

You can only push the boundaries of aperture and shutter as far as you can (lens and hand shake, respectively) before you'll need to use ISO, a tripod or a flash for greater exposure. There's really no trick to it for an 'amateur', so I still can't see the comparison being suggested.

On the other hand, dynamic range is camera dependant and is something that can be compared between cameras.

How can you judge the quality of a high ISO image with such small crops???

I fail to see what the fuss is about ?

Kris, the fuss here is that it's Nikon who have been behind Canon for so long in the high ISO department.

Regardless of the crop of the images, those are out of the camera (and resized obviously).

For a Nikon to output something like that at ISO4000 and still look clean w/out noise reduction is pretty insane compared to the D2Xs and D200.

I'll give credit where it's deserved and Nikon have really outdone themselves this time. Will it make me sell up and switch back? Unlikely as I'm not particular about the latest and greatest - I'd rather just focus on the art itself.

I see. I guess I fail to understand this when Canon have had this for a long time! In any case, its great they have caught up

methd wrote:Exposure is photographer dependant. The photos are exposed at what the settings are inputted in the camera.

Even if it comes down to setting the camera on A or S priority, the photographer will have to set some compensation either way according to lighting conditions.

You can only push the boundaries of aperture and shutter as far as you can (lens and hand shake, respectively) before you'll need to use ISO, a tripod or a flash for greater exposure. There's really no trick to it for an 'amateur', so I still can't see the comparison being suggested.

On the other hand, dynamic range is camera dependant and is something that can be compared between cameras.

And underexposing a high ISO image will destroy it on the current models, where as a Canon is more lenient. This is where I am getting at, how far can the exposure be screwed before the noise makes the image unusable. Not everyone is spot on with exposure, and the camera certainly isn't!

That is all I am saying.

[EDIT] Not being argumentative or disagreeing, trying to get my point across without it being misunderstood. And I think that this is great from Nikon, they have raised the bar as far as high ISO goes by looking at these images and the official ones at full resolution.

Even on the 5D I've hit the limits a few times. I tried to shoot at ISO 3200 with a reasonable shutter speed and aperture wide open on the 24-70 and 70-200 and the image still suffered from banding in the darker areas of the image.

This is by no means any reason for me to jump back to Nikon as I can probably overcome this by getting a 85 1.2 or 1.4. Yes there's DOF to be considered, etc.

Both those lens (24-70,70-200) are too slow more than likely if your pushing them wide open up to ISO 3200

Like you said, F1.2 or F1.4 will give you so much MORE breathing space...

Ok this is just painful. All this hype when I can't get my hands on one. I could shoot someone!

Kris wrote:I see. I guess I fail to understand this when Canon have had this for a long time! In any case, its great they have caught up

ROTFLMAO - nice Kris. You Canon guys better start looking over your shoulders soon

And yes I'd like a Nikon with Canon's reputed high ISO charactersitsics and some nice f1.2 glass. SO far it seems Nikon has met the first of those two.