Canon Corral still relevant ???

[jberth1]

With the name change of this chat group from D70USERS to DSLRUSERS is it still relevant to segregate the Canon shooters off in their own 'Canon Corral' ?

It would seem to me that we should now be including them in with the 'General Discussion' sections....

Anyone have any thoughts ?

Cheers

Justin

[DionM]

So long as the Nikon boys play nicely with us We won't be too mean ... for a little while at least

Would be one less sub-forum for me to check each time I visit.

[Michael]

*Snarls*

[Sheetshooter]

I do think it is relevant that people of kindred interest can engage in somewhat esoteric discussion without the fear of offending others. To that end I have long advocated that there also be a Pentax, an Olympus, a Minolta and any other sort of area.

There is an overwhelming preponderance of Nikon users on the site - possibly as a legacy of the former name - and along with this is an aggravating level of tribalism at times. This is also fuelled in part by those with a barrow to push and the restrictions imposed on just what they can peddle.

In an ideal world there would be room for a discussion forum devoid of kit lust and envy: a forum devoted purely to imagery and the philosophy of imagery. And fine imagery at that.

Dream on ....

[Nnnnsic]

Actually, at the moment we're looking at dividing the forum up into sections so it'll be easier to determine where to post, as well as freeing up some of the "members only" sections to people who haven't gotten the 30 post minimum yet.

Give us some time! There's only a few of us doing this!

[gstark]

And we have other things to do, too.

Regarding Pentax/Minolta/Olympus etc sections, I have no objection to that, but by my reconning, we have maybe three Pentax users, four with Fujis, and zero with Minoltas and Olypus DSLRs.

If and when we get enough users of those types of cameras, I'll be more than happy to open those sections, but unless and until we do, they would be pretty lonely sandpits.

[Sheetshooter]

Gary,

I realise those aspects and, as I noted in a lengthy post some time back, perhaps there are too many sub-forums already. There is the added possibility that excessive fragmentation of the site could lead to divisive sentiments and an increased risk of the dreaded tribalism.

While it is none of my business, I do think that the '30 meaningful post rule' is a really good measure. Whilst the site is primarily aimed at the recreational enthusiast I do think that there is a minimum level of 'enthusiasm' that should be expected and complied with - for the benefit of both the memebrs and the admin/moderator staff.

You're all doing a mighty fine job in running this resource - especially given the fact that it is essentially what used to be referred to as an Honorary obligation.

Cheers,

[gstark]

Gary,

I realise those aspects and, as I noted in a lengthy post some time back, perhaps there are too many sub-forums already. There is the added possibility that excessive fragmentation of the site could lead to divisive sentiments and an increased risk of the dreaded tribalism.

And in fact we've reduced the number of sections since we had that discussion. We're still looking to reduce the number of sections further, but it's not that easy because of some of the constraints that I've chosen to impose upon how I run these forums.

While it is none of my business, I do think that the '30 meaningful post rule' is a really good measure.

In point of fact, we're actually looking to increase that threshhold at the moment.

And of course, and as you know, that's not the only criteria that we use.

[sheepie]

There is an overwhelming preponderance of Nikon users on the site - possibly as a legacy of the former name - and along with this is an aggravating level of tribalism at times. This is also fuelled in part by those with a barrow to push and the restrictions imposed on just what they can peddle.

???? I see no real level of "aggravating tribalism" - I see the occassional 'jibe'. It's all part of the character of this site, largely brought about by people being comfortable with each other.

As for people with a barrow to push, I am not sure what you are getting at there either.

In an ideal world there would be room for a discussion forum devoid of kit lust and envy: a forum devoted purely to imagery and the philosophy of imagery. And fine imagery at that.

I don't think this would be an 'ideal world' - and certainly not one I'd be particularly interested in being a part of!
This forum is about much more than an arty-farty analysis of pictures. It is a community who enjoys taking - creating, if you will - photo's. It IS about equipment, it IS about how we can make better use of what we have, and it IS about what we may want. There is no real envy here - I would like to think we're above that. What there is, is an overwhelming willingness to share our experiences.

I'm not having a go at you, I just feel I need to point out what - to me at least - this site is about.
This forum IS pretty much an 'ideal world'.

[Sheetshooter]

Sheepie,

Just as I would respect your views I would also expect that my views be treated with similar accord.

In a broad-based community such as this it is inevitable that there will be differences in opinion, approach and purpose. Whilst I would not denigrate the significance of the 'happy snap' I would also uphold that the more serious endeavours of those who see photography as something else be likewise given the respect they deserve rather than be alluded to as 'arty-farty analysis'.

A photograph - any photograph - is a statement by the author. For some that communication suffices in either visual or verbal mono-syllables, for others there is a desire to express something of deeper consciousness, contemplation and realisation. To each his own. Live and let live.

Cheers,

[Greg B]

There is an overwhelming preponderance of Nikon users on the site - possibly as a legacy of the former name - and along with this is an aggravating level of tribalism at times.

I don't think "possibly" is the right word - "precisely" would be more like it.

After all, the forum was specifically for users of the D70, hence the name, D70users. It was only as the forum grew, and stayed as positive and friendly as it did, that it started to attract some users of other cameras and brands. Eventually, the nominative scope changed in line with expanded membership scope. Even folks using old methods such as "filum" and large format were made welcome.

However, I don't think there has been any aggravating tribalism - at least, it didn't aggravate me. There are many opposing camps which don't lead to massive bloodshed and threaten world peace - Nikon v Canon, Nikkor v Sigma, Holden v Ford, Melbourne v Sydney, Scotch v Bourbon, Union v League, The Beatles v Elvis (I'm old), VHS v Betamax, etc etc.

People love the parry and thrust.

[DionM]

In point of fact, we're actually looking to increase that threshhold at the moment.

And of course, and as you know, that's not the only criteria that we use.

I think they are good rules. Even without the 'carrot' of being able to take advantage of Birddys deals, it ensures active participation in the forum.

[gstark]

In point of fact, we're actually looking to increase that threshhold at the moment.

And of course, and as you know, that's not the only criteria that we use.

I think they are good rules. Even without the 'carrot' of being able to take advantage of Birddys deals, it ensures active participation in the forum.

Dion,

Thanx.

Need I say that that is our primary goal? The other stuff is really just a bonus.

[drifter]

Hi . I'm new here .Long time looker but only just recently signed up .

Personally i've found the canon forum , every time ive looked in there it has had snide remarks in regards to Canon V Nikon , which turns me off reading any further . How it becomes an issue is beyond me but anyhoo .. Asides from that this is a great site . Look forward to contributing and viewing everyones great pics .

Regards Tony

[mudder]

G'day,
Just my two bob's worth

I really don't care whether an image is made with Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Fuji, ${brand}, (insert while true;do loop here). There's sometimes some friendly ribbing but I haven't seen anything that's meant with any malice or ill-feeling. That's the main thing that attracted me to this site and the friendliness and constructive help and advice I've received from all the members here (for which I'm grateful)...

S'pose there could be a benefit from having a seperate general chat forum for each brand but it'd be harder to administer/maintain, I would be more interested in learning how the camera operator visualised and created their image. I never even thought that the general discussion area was restricted to any brand, I always thought it was just general discussion and was open to basically anyone

I enjoy the "happy snap" types of images and also like to learn from the uhmmm, more formally composed and constructed (not sure on the words here) shots, so I enjoy anything that I can get something out of, be it a friendly chat with the creator of a happy snap, or some creative insight from the more experienced and artistically skilled.

Enough of my raving, it's all good fun

Cheers.