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My 11 year old son has just purchased his first camera he choose the Nikon CP4500 P&S.
Now he is looking for a forum similar to this one for P&S juniors. I've had a look around but haven't found anything suitable, has anyone found such a place?

Cheers,

Greg

Greg S wrote:My 11 year old son has just purchased his first camera he choose the Nikon CP4500 P&S.
Now he is looking for a forum similar to this one for P&S juniors. I've had a look around but haven't found anything suitable, has anyone found such a place?

Cheers,

Greg

Greg,
Welcome him to this forum if he wishes to!

Greg,

I second Birddog suggestion on bringing him into this forum. There are already a couple of youngsters around and have been warmly welcomed. Members here have been quick to encourage and help the youngsters.

Cheers

Matt

I can only reinforce what's already been suggested.

Thank you gentlemen, my son Trev will be tickled pink.
His interest in photograph has increased after seeing the variety images on this forum, prior to that he was subjected to years of my nature shots.
Are the youngsters permitted to post non-DSLR pics for review?

Cheers

Greg

Allowed? I would say he is positively encouraged. Although please correct me if I'm wrong. I would love to see how he views the world.

Greg S wrote:Are the youngsters permitted to post non-DSLR pics for review?

I do not see why not Images from all types are welcome around here.

Actually, I look forward to seeing images from youngsters and reading the stories behind them (if there is one). Children offer a different perspective.

Cheers

This looks like it could be good fun, these next few shots are from a Olympus C-860L 1.3mp taken by my son Thomas age 7 a few month's ago

Keeping any eye on his nan


Hey what happend to the other two


Looking through the mail box


Dad's last bit of cake or mine


Something's wrong


Dad after a few beer's

........ and a good choice of starter camera, I have one and use it for happy snaps along with the wide angle len's for said camera.......... welcome to the forum if he decides to join...........there was another young person who was also a member ????......

BP, you mean young Monty? Haven't seen him around for a while.

Cheers

Greg S wrote:Are the youngsters permitted to post non-DSLR pics for review?

Greg, as Rockstar said, I would absolutely encourage this.

My only word of caution would be for you (or whomever) to take heed of the description of the Image Review section's description, and given the sensitive age of the person, perhaps post the images within the General Discussion section so as to try and avoid the more serious types of critiques.

While even within the reviews section we try to be positive in our criticisms, there's no guessing what some might say.

Trev is away at his mums this weekend but you can expect a new member on Monday, thank you all.

mitedo, Thomas take a great pic, good steady hand. I look forward to see more of his work. Kids certainly see things we miss.

big pix, I pleased you feel the camera is a good one it took him a bit over a year to save for it. I figured he should be safe with one of the big brands.

gstark, thanks for the advice I understand what you mean.

Cheers and thanks everyone,

Greg

set the camera to fine and the quality will amaze you..........

Greg S - perhaps add a hint (or an explicit reference!) to his age, in his sig... something like "The world through a seven-year-old's eyes..."... it might make people who are about to criticise a bit harshly, realise the context of the shot...

Well i think it is great, this is who we are no matter what the age, it is all about learning and friendship and enjoying our passion so yeh good pics from the kids and i am sure we will enjoy them and welcome them in as we have seen some good shots taken by the youngings in previous post.
Well done Thomas when you get home to see this.

What a superb idea to have the emerging photographer siblings post images

To see the world through a youngsters eyes would be very refreshing and show some of the oldies, like me, a new perspective

sirhc55 wrote:What a superb idea to have the emerging photographer siblings post images

To see the world through a youngsters eyes would be very refreshing and show some of the oldies, like me, a new perspective

and me.............

gstark wrote:

Greg S wrote:Are the youngsters permitted to post non-DSLR pics for review?

..... My only word of caution would be for you (or whomever) to take heed of the description of the Image Review section's description, and given the sensitive age of the person, perhaps post the images within the General Discussion section so as to try and avoid the more serious types of critiques.

While even within the reviews section we try to be positive in our criticisms, there's no guessing what some might say.

I doubt that this may prove necessary. Many of the images offered for 'critique' - even by 'oldies' - are quite visually immature, or inchoate at best and, as we saw a while back in the kid's pic of 'Shappelle's View' the youngsters are possibly far more concerned with what they are looking at and showing (as should be the case) and less engulfed by the technology or lust for what it is that's hanging around their neck like a badge of office. They are, in all probability, far less likely to be victims of over-inflated ego and status which also often only serve to mask realities.

I welcome all young people developing an interest in photography. I still remember the very first picture I took just before my eight birthday and it totally consumed me. I have thought or concerned myself with precious little else since.

If the Junior League were to be separated then I would suggest that they be placed into a 'Tutorial' section where they can teach the rest of us how to see life anew and discard the baggage of attitude that we accumulate along the way.

Cheers,

[quote="Sheetshooter"][
.. Many of the images offered for 'critique' - even by 'oldies' - are quite visually immature, or inchoate at best

"O" deer master and wordsmith your lack of photos for ' critique' makes me wonder if you own a camera. I take offence to your patronising comments.
Looking back over your comments in the past, it really makes me wonder why you bother to post on this site. If you feel that, we are quote: visually immature, or inchoate at best. Why do you spend half your life here .It seems to me that you get pleasure from belittling others .Once again where are your photos? On the other hand, are we not worthy to 'critique’ your professional works? LOZ

Loz,

It seems that the only occasions on which you see fit to respond to me in a thread is to stick the boot in. So be it. I am as entitled to an opinion as the next person and, when I last checked, the purpose of a forum was the expression and exchange of opinions of individual and varying viewpoints - among other things.

All too often discussions here can be diverted into shooting the messenger rather than receiving or considering the message.

You query my presence. Well, let me assure you that I continually question my presence also. In the past, partly fuelled by the aspersions of another, I decided to withdraw from this site. I received several communiques expressing disappointment at my decision and so, once I had settled into new premises, I began to participate.

This time around, however, I shall not recant.

Bye one and all....

Loz,

I would have to say that I agree with what you said. I have at times found Sheetshooters comments rather patronising considering this is an amateur forum. I do take notice and heed what he says but sometimes it seems overly critical and especially annoying since I have never seen a picture posted from him.

SS, unfortunate that it has come to this, but so be it.

We "oldies" may post "immature and inchoate" pictures, but I bet the new youngsters aren't going to have such childish fallings out.

Looking forward to seeing the output of the new younger members.

Bye SS, a pity.

A difficult situation.

Loz (and Rokkstar), I feel compelled to point out that SS has posted a number of images on this site (to general acclaim, if I recall correctly). Both images from 4x5 film and from DSLRs.

It's unfortunate that so many people have been hypersensitive about the way comments have been made. While I agree that often SS's choice of words has been abrasive, I have never felt that any of it should be taken as an insult. This forum is the only place I have "met" SS, and I have built up a lot of respect for his opinions. That's not to say that what he said should be treated as gospel, but definitely worthy of consideration.

Maybe it's because I already deal with so many "older" photographers with widely-varying backgrounds and attitudes outside this forum that I've developed the habit of sitting back and considering the message behind the words and not just the words themselves?

The loss of SS from this forum is something I feel is definitely a loss. I hope that we can all develop, and not drive valuable members of the community away in the future.

But then I'm not "the community" (none of us is, other than Gary I suppose ) and maybe I'm in the minority? Sigh.

Apologies Dave, I have never seen an image posted by SS apart from a comparison test of noise levels from the 5d and the D70.

I will have a trawl through the archives and see what I can find. I certainly don't want yes men when I post an image for critique and in that respect I do value SS's opinion. His answers are thoughtful and articulate. I do feel however that sometimes he goes beyond what is neccessary for constructive criticisim and steps into plain patronising territory.

However, I apologise for going OT and do not wish to spark debate on his leaving.

Anyone leaving is a loss, and like him or not, he had stacks of knowledge.

Any contributor leaving is a loss, and SS is indeed a contributor. Whilst neither post by Loz or SS was flaming, it would be nice if both had been pulled back 10-20% in language or intensity, in deference to the sensitivities of others. I think all should think before they post, "how would I put this if I was standing right next to this person?". I have seen many posts which wouldn't pass that test for most people.

Whilst seeing no clear right or wrong in the above posts, I do ask that members consider the effect and implications of ones posts on others, always remembering that the reader may not share your values.

Loz, just a point, and I realise that your post was in response to firm language and opinions by SS, but it was getting dangerously close to flaming.

We like to play the ball not the man here.

LOZ wrote:

Sheetshooter wrote:.. Many of the images offered for 'critique' - even by 'oldies' - are quite visually immature, or inchoate at best

"O" deer master and wordsmith your lack of photos for ' critique' makes me wonder if you own a camera. I take offence to your patronising comments.
Looking back over your comments in the past, it really makes me wonder why you bother to post on this site. If you feel that, we are quote: visually immature, or inchoate at best. Why do you spend half your life here .It seems to me that you get pleasure from belittling others .Once again where are your photos? On the other hand, are we not worthy to 'critique’ your professional works? LOZ

Loz,

Just as there is no compulsion upon members to post critiques of images posted, similarly there is no compulsion upon members here to post images. Indeed, I rarely post images, except when I have something I deem worthy of posting.

If SS enjoys this site, who are you to criticise him in this manner? With all due respect, he is entitled to his opinion, just as you are entitled to yours.

If you agree to disagree, that is fine, but it gives you no right to launch any sort of personal attack upon him, nor upon anyone else.

Your message here is cutting it very finely in terms of our no-flaming policy.

FWIW, some of SS's comments regarding images are quite valid - many are very poor and not really worthy of critique. Against that, we see some absolute gems, and it's a fact that we have to take the good with the bad.

That said, some of SS's comments may not be agreeable to us all. That's what intelligent, mature discussion is all about. If one is unprepared to accept differences of opinion, then one needs to review one's attitude, because that is precisely what thus forum is all about - opinions and discussion about photography.

So please, accept that not everyone will share your PoV, and when they don't, accept their entitlement to their perspective, regardless of whether you agree, and do so with good grace and manners.

Finally, if you believe that someone is overstepping the mark, please accept that I have appointed moderators who are authorised to handle the issues as they see fit; the correct approach is to send them a message and have them deal with it. You are not so authorised to address these sorts of issues, and my best advice to you is to simply follow the rules.

Finally, Loz, your posting was way off topic.

Dave,

Well said.

Rokkstar, and everyone else,

please now stay on topic!

We have an exciting issue here, and instead, you let it degenerate into a series of personal attacks. Go and stand in the corner, the lot of you!

SS,

If we had enough of the younger fry here, I'd love to start a section expecially for them. How many is enough? Dunno, but it would need to be more than just the one.

The provision of facilities for the nurturing and development of younger generations is a venerable and worthwhile pursuit - irrespective of how it is done.

As one who has done a fair share of teaching it is also quite true to say that in speaking to the young we also speak to ourselves. It is a win/win situation if ever there was one. That was the point I was trying to make when I suggested that the junior league could also tutor the oldies. We oldies are often the victims of the system we draw on for survival and we can often fit quite restrictive blinkers to our vision in order to conform, emulate or seek acceptance - blinkers that the youngies don't even know exist.

The encouragement and expansion of a 'youth ministry', so to speak, could only be of benefit to everybody.

It is the very fact that photographers - younger AND older - are INCHOATE that draws people with a few trips around the block under their belt (like me) to offer coment, help and advice. Maybe it is just because I actually am a 'wordsmith' - an eptithet which I accept as an accolade by the way - that a term like 'inchoate' does not seem offensive.

From the Oxford:

inchoate |in?k?-it; -?t| adjective: just begun and so not fully formed or developed; rudimentary

In her introductory essay to a monograph of the works of hero Harry Callhan, Sarah Greenough - curator of photographs at the National Museum in Washington D.C. - cast no aspesions when she makes reference to the fact that Callahan was searching for "others with an approach more compatible to his own innate but still inchoate perception of photography". So what is there to be taken badly in this term, I wonder?

In young people lies the potential for continuation - in my little view of the world it is beholden upon us to do everythinmg within our power to ensure that that potential is not wasted.

I also referred to 'immature work' as a point of differientation to 'naïve' work which takes on a different meaning in art terms.

I hope that this explanation has clarified the matter for some who may have been confused.

Welcome back!

gstark wrote:

LOZ wrote:
SS,

If we had enough of the younger fry here, I'd love to start a section expecially for them. How many is enough? Dunno, but it would need to be more than just the one.

My little guy would love to become a member. He is 7 and is getting used to my old PS camera Canon S40 (great camera BTW)....so that makes 2.

ozczecho wrote:

gstark wrote:

LOZ wrote:
SS,

If we had enough of the younger fry here, I'd love to start a section expecially for them. How many is enough? Dunno, but it would need to be more than just the one.

My little guy would love to become a member. He is 7 and is getting used to my old PS camera Canon S40 (great camera BTW)....so that makes 2.

Two is a good start.

Any more starters??

There was a member in Newcastle (I think) who was about 13 when he joined last year... but he has yet to post.