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Printer profile

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:47 pm
by the foto fanatic
Has anyone in the forum bought a profile for their printer?

I have an Epson R800. I have profiled my monitor and I want my prints to look like what I see on screen. Currently, I use Epson's profiles, as I use Epson inks and paper but I am noticing a yellow cast on most of my images. I am thinking of buying a profile for the printer.

Has anyone been through this exercise, or does it anyone have a recommendation for a possible firm to use?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:10 pm
by stubbsy
Trevor. I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Pearl with my R1800 exclusively since it's such wonderful paper. Ilford have FREE printer profiles for both the R800 and the R1800 for their paper. I've been using the profile since I got the paper and it works brilliantly with both Photoshop and QImage

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:23 pm
by the foto fanatic
stubbsy wrote:Trevor. I'm now using Ilford Gallerie Pearl with my R1800 exclusively since it's such wonderful paper. Ilford have FREE printer profiles for both the R800 and the R1800 for their paper. I've been using the profile since I got the paper and it works brilliantly with both Photoshop and QImage


Thanx Peter - I'll take a look. Haven't used Ilford yet, but I have heard others talk favourably about it too. I use QImage for all my printing.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:58 pm
by avkomp
I am finally getting around to print some images but I havent done one yet.
I have a stylus 2100 photo and propose to use the gallery pearl by ilford and have downloaded the profile from ilford already to go and copied it to the appropriate place.

I have a few questions though:

all my stuff is in adobe rgb and wonder what everyone is doing to actually print this in photoshop??
I believe I am supposed to set the printer to no colour management and
in photoshop select file, print with preview and select the profile for the paper at this stage.

or

do I tell the printer to use the gallerie profile and photoshop to do no management??

Also I wonder where the best place to get the gallerie pearl from??
Is it available on a roll?? I have the cutter assembly which came with the printer and thought it may be handy to print panos if I had a roll of paper

Is a nice printer and I feel I should actually use it in anger!! currently it prints a few invoices and a few disk labels. very sad really.

assistance in actually putting my printer to work would be greatly appreciated.

Steve

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:21 pm
by robw25
cricketfan
i have a epson 1290s and when i first got it i had a sheeet load of problems getting " what is on the screen to paper " and i bought profiles from http://www.cathysprofiles.com/ and it has been great since.... that was 4 years ago ! i want to upgrade to the epson 4800 maybe this year i hope

cheers rob

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:00 pm
by MattC
Trevor,

The yellow cast is interesting. Last week I installed some Epson R800 profiles from the US website. These profiles end with R1 and I got some good results printing some test images on Epson premium glossy and semigloss.

This is one of the test images used:
http://www.digitaldog.net/files/Printer ... le.jpg.zip
The image does contain out of gamut areas for the Epson profiles.

I am wondering if your monitor profile might be slightly off. Maybe do a print of this test target to see if you get the same yellow cast.

Of course, the best profiles are custom profiles.

Cheers

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:04 pm
by MattC
avcomp,

Use the first method.

Let PS handle colour management, select your profile, turn ICM off at the driver.

Cheers

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:18 pm
by avkomp
thanks matt,
I read somewhere that the first method I mentioned is the way to go but I am interested to see what everyone is doing. I figure a few people here will actually print their stuff, unlike me!


I guess all this will make more sense when I actually try it.

just need to get some paper now and start.

Steve

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:42 pm
by avkomp
anyone suggest the best place to get the ilford gallerie stuff??

Re: Printer profile

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:19 pm
by big pix
cricketfan wrote:Has anyone in the forum bought a profile for their printer?

I have an Epson R800. I have profiled my monitor and I want my prints to look like what I see on screen. Currently, I use Epson's profiles, as I use Epson inks and paper but I am noticing a yellow cast on most of my images. I am thinking of buying a profile for the printer.

Has anyone been through this exercise, or does it anyone have a recommendation for a possible firm to use?


It does not matter if you buy a profile or use supplied profiles, UNLESS your screen and printer has been profiled using a spyder or Eye one, you will never get your prints to match your screen..........you can get almost there with a profiled screen and a brought printer profile........but you will need a profile for each stock you use....... or if you change ink brands you start again

Re: Printer profile

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:32 pm
by Steffen
big pix wrote:It does not matter if you buy a profile or use supplied profiles, UNLESS your screen and printer has been profiled using a spyder or Eye one, you will never get your prints to match your screen..........you can get almost there with a profiled screen and a brought printer profile........but you will need a profile for each stock you use....... or if you change ink brands you start again


Interesting, all of Apple's talk about ColorSync etc is basically marketing BS then? Why am I not surprised...?

I'm having some trouble getting my prints to match the screen image at the moment, too. I'm not so much getting a cast, but inconsistency and often too dark prints. I'm using the 21" studio display with its built-in calibration device as well as Apple's ambient light profiling gizmo. However, the printer may not really be up to the job (RX510, using the R300 print engine I believe).

For now I'm still working from the hypothesis that I'm doing something wrong... :?

Cheers
Steffen.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:59 pm
by stubbsy
avkomp wrote:anyone suggest the best place to get the ilford gallerie stuff??

Steve

What Matt said about profiling is correct (you should also find Ilford's instructions in a pdf as part of the profile download). I did lots of checking for sources of the Ilford paper and for me AIM was the best source despite their high freight charges. I bought their Bulk buy pack of 350 sheets. There's a lot of discussion in this thread on suppliers too.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:05 pm
by avkomp
thanks Peter, I will go over the other thread and attempt to digest it all.

the bulk pack you speak of, wonder what size that would be??
I dont suppose off the top of your head if they have that on roll??

I havent really heaps of stuff I wish to print so still may just send it to digital works or similar.

Steve

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:07 pm
by stubbsy
avkomp wrote:thanks Peter, I will go over the other thread and attempt to digest it all.

the bulk pack you speak of, wonder what size that would be??
I dont suppose off the top of your head if they have that on roll??

I havent really heaps of stuff I wish to print so still may just send it to digital works or similar.

Steve

Steve

The bulk pack is A4 cut sheets - it's about the same volume as 2 reams of A4 80gsm photocopy paper.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:22 pm
by avkomp
thanks peter,

I am just getting an idea of what size people are printing their stuff,

not sure why though because the size I may want and what everyone else is doing are mutually exclusive events.

I still have a pack of a3+ special coated paper for injets. has been here for 10 years maybe. I just did 2 a3+ prints for kicks. one with the printer set to photoenhance and the other with a photoshop set to a generic 2100 profile as I couldnt find one for this old paper.

the one which I let the printer handle came out quite nice but the other one with the generic profile looks crap.

this could be because my monitor isnt calibrated and thats what it would look like printed correctly managed
or
the profile I tried is of no use with this image.

I actually posted this image (of a waterfall) on the forums a month or so ago and nobody told me it was dark so it may be some sort of photoshop printing error or the profile is of no use for this stock.

I had in mind getting one printed professionally and maybe printing one with the correct profile and compare the results as this will confirm whether my lcd screen is about right or not.

Steve