Epson R800 and smudging

[ozczecho]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if you could help me. I just used my R800 to print out some photos @ A4 onto "Kodak Everyday Picture Paper - Glossy". After 24hrs my wife decided to wipe some dust of one print using a dry lint free cloth and it rubbed off some ink. Picture now ruined, I gently rubbed it with my finger and the ink comes off.

Is there something we can do to prevent this?

TIA

Mike

[birddog114]

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if you could help me. I just used my R800 to print out some photos @ A4 onto "Kodak Everyday Picture Paper - Glossy". After 24hrs my wife decided to wipe some dust of one print using a dry lint free cloth and it rubbed off some ink. Picture now ruined, I gently rubbed it with my finger and the ink comes off.

Is there something we can do to prevent this?

TIA

Mike

Mike,
Big mistake!!!!!
Kodak Everyday Picture Paper - Glossy, Genuine Epson ink won't work (drying) on this type of paper.
Change to other paper as Epson or Ilford.

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Kodak glossy paper is not compatable with Epson printers, as Birddog said the ink will not dry........ Epson, Ilford, are the best, or if you are desperate Canon stock

[avkomp]

yep, dont use the kodak everyday paper.


have done a lot of tests for customers using various media with epsons.

they definitely dont like the kodak everyday paper.
epson wants you to use their media which of course works well.

quite a number of our members use ilford smooth pearl in epsons with excellent results.

Steve

[ozczecho]

SH T

Thanks guys, that explains it. Is there anything I can do to minimise the smudging (apart from not touching it...) ie haidryer etc...

[birddog114]

SH T

Thanks guys, that explains it. Is there anything I can do to minimise the smudging (apart from not touching it...) ie haidryer etc...

No and nothing you can do till you get new media.

[ozczecho]

SH T

Thanks guys, that explains it. Is there anything I can do to minimise the smudging (apart from not touching it...) ie haidryer etc...

No and nothing you can do till you get new media.

Looks like I am going shopping. So either Ilford smooth pearl or any Epson paper?

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I find using the same surface stock of Espon and Ilford, that it will be hard to tell the difference between the 2 different brands......... happy printing.........

[avkomp]

ilford smooth pearl is my favourite, I am not a fan of glossy stuff

steve

[Matt. K]

ozczecho
Not any Epson paper. Only those for which your printer has profiles. Inkjet printers are very fussy about the paper you use.

[ozczecho]

ozczecho
Not any Epson paper. Only those for which your printer has profiles. Inkjet printers are very fussy about the paper you use.

Matt, thanks heaps for making me aware. OK, I have proven I am a printer paper novice. I just went to the Epson website and...

KODAK and some other companies claim their inkjet printing papers are compatible with all Epson desktop inkjet printers. Epson has reports from many customers who have used KODAK or other paper and have been very disappointed with the results. When the same customers have changed to genuine Epson paper, they have been amazed and pleased with the colour and quality of their prints. Epson recommends that you do not use KODAK or other non genuine printing papers if you want to get the best results from your Epson desktop printer. Epson printers are very carefully tuned to ensure Epson inks and Epson's patented MicroPiezo™ printhead produce the best quality prints using carefully selected Epson paper. All other brands of printing paper, including KODAK paper, are not wholly compatible with the printer. ...nice

So apart from using Epson paper (paper that matches to R800 using their paper matrix) (or Ilford paper) do I also have to download a "software profile" as well? Any good sources for Epson paper? And what Epson paper produces good results (product code)? I mainly print 6 by 4 or A4.

Sorry for all the questions and again thanks everyone for helping me out...

[avkomp]

If I need post card size, I generally use the epson software which comes with the printer: photoquicker or similar and tell it to print 4 of em on a piece of A4 and run it thru my trimmer. mainly because I am stingy and postcard size is dearer (pro rata) than a4.

Generally though for a4 and bigger I use a calibrated rgb workflow for printing.
generally this means my camera shoots in adobe rgb, I have photshop set to rgb and my screen is calibrated so that what I see on the screen is what I print (usually)
I use a printer profile for my printer (which you can typically get from the paper vendor) ilford for example allows you to download a suitable profile for their products.

Generally printers like to make their own colour corrections and sometimes do a fair job, but in the full rgb flow mentioned above you tell the printer that it wont be managing the colour and instead photoshop will do the management, hence the need for the calibrated system.

If you dont want to worry too much about that, you can just tell the printer that you have semigloss paper something similar to what you have (I tested semigloss when using the ilford pearl) and set the printer to photoenhance and print away, it may not be exactly what is on the screen colour wise but still produces nice prints.

you could start out the simplified method and go for the full rgb method later if you wished

Epson has an rgb printing guide on its website and contains step by step instructions.
Ilford has similar with an rgb guide usually coming with the various printer profiles you download.

Steve

[ozczecho]

Steve,

Cheers for that. It confirms I am doing 80% of things right - except for the paper bit. After reading the epson guide I got the colours looking ok but not spectacular. I now know why - paper.

Just went to the Ilford Site. I guess this the paper you are using

Selected O/S / RIP: PC
Selected Printer: Epson R800
Selected Ink: Ultrachrome Hi-Gloss
Selected Media: IGSPP9 (smooth Pearl)

I downloaded the profile and will test once I acquire some paper....

Thanks Heaps

Mike

[avkomp]

yep, that is the right stuff.

If you do it exactly like the instructions say, it just works

Steve

[rookie2]

does the Epson paper only for epson printers rule apply when using a entry level Epson C63 to experiment and learn about printing.

salesman bundled in a heap of kodak everyday paper that I am yet to open - is it worth using? ?

[robw25]

does the Epson paper only for epson printers rule apply when using a entry level Epson C63 to experiment and learn about printing.

salesman bundled in a heap of kodak everyday paper that I am yet to open - is it worth using? ?

NO ! not on an epson.. this paper is shit !!!!!!!

cheers rob

[ozczecho]

does the Epson paper only for epson printers rule apply when using a entry level Epson C63 to experiment and learn about printing.

salesman bundled in a heap of kodak everyday paper that I am yet to open - is it worth using? ?

NO ! not on an epson.. this paper is shit !!!!!!!

cheers rob

Not sure about the c63, but on R800 the results are not great.

[rookie2]

this paper is shit !!!!!!!

:evil:

thanks rob - cant be clearer than that!!

OK

......anyone (suckers) out there who need some fine quality Robw25 endorsed high quality kodak everyday (toilet) paper?? You can come round and pick it up..I'm not wasting any more hard earned on it!!

the things you learn after the point of sale...they must laugh when uninformed novices walk into their stores or maybe they are as dopey as I am!:oops:

I found this forum way too late!!!

cheers
R2

[nito]

I dont have any prob with kodak gloss premium paper on my epson R800. It does takes 5 mins to dry but the results are good. Only thing that annoys me with this paper is no printer profiles.

Now the epson Pro paper is really great with instant dry but it is expensive. It does have printer profile.

Epson paper is also very good. Has profiles and works extremely well. Been using that paper of late because it was free.

Will switch to ilford when my paper runs out because of all the raving in this very forum.

[gstark]

does the Epson paper only for epson printers rule apply when using a entry level Epson C63 to experiment and learn about printing.

salesman bundled in a heap of kodak everyday paper that I am yet to open - is it worth using? ?

Yes.

Use the non-glossy side, keep it next to the phone, and you have free notepaper.

[MATT]

I have had no problems with Kodak Premium Papers with my R310. I had a couple of hundred sheets of 5x7 that I could not use when I had my canoni850, It would just band across the page.

So I gave most of it away to friends ect.. Then got the R310 tried some and worked great.

Now I have the Sinopis CIS system , its dye inks seem ok with kodak also.

Kodak do have recomended settings for epson printers on there web site, Just dont load the Kodak software, I am having trouble getting rid of it


MATT

[gstark]

I have had no problems with Kodak Premium Papers with my R310. I had a couple of hundred sheets of 5x7 that I could not use when I had my canoni850, It would just band across the page.

And there's the reason behind all these instances of banding on the D200 that we've been hearing about. They've loaded Kodak paper into where the sensor should be on those cameras so affected!

[birddog114]

I have had no problems with Kodak Premium Papers with my R310. I had a couple of hundred sheets of 5x7 that I could not use when I had my canoni850, It would just band across the page.

And there's the reason behind all these instances of banding on the D200 that we've been hearing about. They've loaded Kodak paper into where the sensor should be on those cameras so affected!

Not only that, Sony parts are another cause as mentioned by MJ

[ozczecho]

I dont have any prob with kodak gloss premium paper on my epson R800. It does takes 5 mins to dry but the results are good. Only thing that annoys me with this paper is no printer profiles.

Now the epson Pro paper is really great with instant dry but it is expensive. It does have printer profile.

Epson paper is also very good. Has profiles and works extremely well. Been using that paper of late because it was free.

Will switch to ilford when my paper runs out because of all the raving in this very forum.

The problem (as I found out yesterday) is that it never really dries. I created a calendar for the family for xmas let it dry really well and now you can see paint rubbing on the back of each page.

I assume that no such issue exists with Epson approved paper...