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hi people

anyone know where i can get a fake or broken D70 body only
camera doesn't have to work

anyone got a broken d70 that they want to sell

or can i borrow an old broken nikon film camera(it's got to look a bit hefty and pro looking)

thanks in advance

wendellt wrote:hi people

anyone know where i can get a fake or broken D70 body only
camera doesn't have to work

anyone got a broken d70 that they want to sell

or can i borrow an old broken nikon film camera(it's got to look a bit hefty and pro looking)

thanks in advance

Umm....can we ask why u need this Wendell?

It's not to hang around your neck to make you look more pro is it? Cause your images do that already!

From what I hear, it's lucky your asking for a broken one....

What are you up to? Very suspicious request

Indeed.

Why would you need a broken camera?

just need a second body so i can match the other photogs at an event i am shooting at, it's a strategic thing the more cameras you have the more priority opporunities you get. it's purely a strategic decision nothing to do with ego

i personally don't like the too much gear look but i have to do it.

Why not look for a second hand F801, F60, or F80 on eBay?

That really is a good point Wendell. It may sound silly to some, but really, the more professional you look, and the better your equipment, the more people are either going to A) get out of your way, B) leave you alone to do your job or C) Think you are important enough to let you closer to the action.

It shouldn't, but it does. On the weekend I was photographing the Bathurst Motor Festival, I had my media pass, Kata backpack, D70 with 70-200VR attached and a monopod. I never got a second look. Another guy was there with his media pass (the same one I had) and a Fuji finepix, and he got asked a few times what he thought he was doing...

look is everything it can be a shallow industry but hey i know it therefore I am o.k

p.s i'm not shallow

Wendell I would second Leigh's suggestion, maybe even adding 401,501 or 601 which should be very cheap. The lens you stick on it should make the look, put a 70-200 or 80-200 on it. You may as well buy a working film body as they are so cheap to get a working one and you may find something you want to shoot with it.


ps Do you know you are going to cop a lot over this request?

Want to look same as the Pro, get the second hand F5 body, stick your 70-200VR on and hanging around your neck or get a photo vest and have all your gears in it.

What a load of crap.

What - or who - defines how a "pro" looks?

I think it's the quality of one's work more than anything else that dictates the true worth of the photographer, and if you - or anybody else - is concerned about appearances, then it's time for a very serious reality check.

I think that if you want to look like a pro, you should simply go about your business in a professional manner. Forget about hanging extra gear around your neck. It'll only weigh you down, and get in the way of you doing what you want to do.

yeah i know it's a load of crap

but other people like some bouncers and Pr people don't know me(personaility professionalism wise) so appearances is everything

hope you understand

I ask this question because buying a second hand body is still expensive i just want to buy a broken camera for say $100 bucks that should do me hang the 70-200VR off it and that it

what i am doing is no different than a girl putting on lipstick just to look a little better and get some gain from it

it's innocent

Actually, I've found that more people think I look more professional with the camera strapped to my wrist than when I've carried a D2h or several cameras around with me.

In fact, strap the camera to your wrist, wear a backpack, and have a monopod and that seems to be at the level where people ask me if I'm a pro.

Personally, I think it would only take one of the pros to realise that you were carrying a broken camera and you would become a laughing stock...
Just buy a second body... Try the pawn shops on George Street... They have loads of stuff...

I agree Gary, it is a load of crap. But to suggest we need a reality check is wrong.

From my own personal experience, you need to look the part as well as be able to deliver the goods. I know of people who didn't hire photographers because they still used "those old silver film' cameras. Never mind that the cameras were Leicas and worth an utter fortune and took great photos.

If making an attempt to look that little bit more 'pro' gets Wendell, or any other phtographer that one in a million shot, then it's worth it.

As for who decides what 'pro' looks like, it's the customer or the security gaurd who has no concept of what they are looking at.

leek wrote:Personally, I think it would only take one of the pros to realise that you were carrying a broken camera and you would become a laughing stock...

Indeed.

Imagine if they started talking to you about it. You'd be screwed.

wendellt wrote:it's innocent

It's not. People have irrational expectations so, rather than proving them wrong, you just go along with them? No offence, but I think it's a bad idea.

leek wrote:Personally, I think it would only take one of the pros to realise that you were carrying a broken camera and you would become a laughing stock...
Just buy a second body... Try the pawn shops on George Street... They have loads of stuff...

I agree with leek. But Im not in the industry. However I have seen broken unworking D70 for a $100 and D1# series for about $200 on ebay. Its clearly stated as broken or AS-IS. Plus shipping. Ask for USPS Airmail sould be $US20.

But one of these will fool anyone LOL.

I guess it all about the look.

tha safe sex mall has a glow in tha darrk penie extension. mite help yous out

Why not hire a working camera? It might even come in handy...

Cheers
Steffen.

I’m asked quite a bit if I am a pro or not - the reason - my RRS bracket on the D2Hs - go figure

Ive never been asked if i was a pro.. then again... im not a pro.. .. but on my way home i was given suspicious looks on the bus for 7hrs... or because i was clutching my backpack that had all my camera gear in it and some that wasnt mine and i didnt fancy it all rolling around in the cargo area of the bus..

Even got questioned by the bus driver if i needed to carry it on... I asked if he was gonna look after a few thousand bucks worth of camera gear for me... he said nup.. didnt make a fuss either when i stuck it on a seat next to me

Tim
p.s. Will i look like a pro when i have a d200 and d70 hanging around my neck? i thought 1 d2x would be enough to qualify you as "pro"

wendellt wrote:yeah i know it's a load of crap

but other people like some bouncers and Pr people don't know me(personaility professionalism wise) so appearances is everything

hope you understand

What is there to understand?

You're either there to take photos, or you're there to pose.

If the bouncers are becoming an issue, then you're not communicating with them in an effective manner to let them know what your needs are.

And if you're not properly authorised by the event management to shoot the event, and you're just trying to grease up to the event, then tough. You simply need to find an effective method to work around your obstacles, just as we did at the GP.

Deal with it.


And no, appearance is not everything. In fact, it's nothing.

I ask this question because buying a second hand body is still expensive i just want to buy a broken camera for say $100 bucks that should do me hang the 70-200VR off it and that it

A quiet word in your shell-like ear.

Forget about appearances. Forget about a fake, or dead, body. Completely.

Spend some money and get a second body. One that works.

This will provide you with some real benefits: you'll have a backup body, ready to use, in case something goes wrong with you primary one. Even something as simple as running out of CF storage in the middle of a shoot is addressed by this simple solution.

You can have the second body loaded with, say, a different ISO, and/or a different lens, giving you a complete, ready to use alternative PoV.

And, truth be told, if you're even thinking about doing a paid shoot with anything less than two bodies, you deserve to be thrown to the lions because of your stupidity, and your totally unprofessional attitude.

But finally, if you truly are concerned about this "appearance" bullshit, then that issue addressed as well.

what i am doing is no different than a girl putting on lipstick just to look a little better and get some gain from it

If that's what you think, then you need to rethink your attitude. Just a couple of days ago somebody posted some concerns about shooting a wedding using a D70, and their concerns that many guests were using cameras of a seemingly similar quality to what this person was using. I would seriously urge you to not simply review that thread, but consider your own personal PoV and attitude. You have a chance here to become another of the sheep, or you can become a leader.

That is your decision, and your choice.

Different, be.

Wedell
If you want to look like a pro get one of them special forces vests like Birdy has got. Drag it through the sand and mud until it becomes tattered and torn....stuff the pouches with every bit of useless photographic garbage you can find, be sure to include a Dolphin lantern and a couple of army surplus field dressings and a couple of rolls of gaffers tape. Wear a wide brimmed but well worn hat and smoke the fattest cigars you can buy. Smoke indoors whilst shooting and every now and then sputter "Get outta my fuggin way!"
That should complete the illusion for you.

sirhc55 wrote:I’m asked quite a bit if I am a pro or not - the reason - my RRS bracket on the D2Hs - go figure

Most people (pro's included) probably won't know what it is.

I'm going to need to attach a toilet paper holder to the side of my camera to make people ask me if I'm a pro more often.

Raskill wrote:I agree Gary, it is a load of crap. But to suggest we need a reality check is wrong.

I hear what you're saying, but I reject it entirely.

From my own personal experience, you need to look the part as well as be able to deliver the goods. I know of people who didn't hire photographers because they still used "those old silver film' cameras. Never mind that the cameras were Leicas and worth an utter fortune and took great photos.

So do I. But what's your point?

Do you target your output to the lowest common denominator, or do you aim for the best you are capable of doing?

If others have that belief, that's fine: let them wander in their wilderness. It's still Pesach for another day or so, isn;t it?

And I think they believe that the earth is flat too.

If making an attempt to look that little bit more 'pro' gets Wendell, or any other phtographer that one in a million shot, then it's worth it.

With respect, how you, or I, or Wendell, looks, will have no bearing whatsoever as to whether we'll get that one in a million shot. Being there is only half the battle, and having a paperweight around your neck, you're more likely to miss the shot through grabbing the wrong the body rather than grabbing that shot anyway.

it's the customer or the security gaurd who has no concept of what they are looking at.

If they have no concept of what they're looking at, why does it even rate a mention here?

Wendell, I reckon you'd be better off getting a cheap 2sd body as well - it'd fulfill a backup role as well as making you look more pro (if everybody around is carrying a 2sd body). If it's not worth buying it for yourself, then make it a gift to someone close to you - and borrow it only when needed.

The broken body would just be a temporary solution and, as Leek pointed out, it might actually backfire big time on you (if it does, pretend to be surprised yourself "it was working fine just a moment ago!!!")

Link.

Link wrote:The broken body would just be a temporary solution and, as Leek pointed out, it might actually backfire big time on you (if it does, pretend to be surprised yourself "it was working fine just a moment ago!!!")

You don't think that the permanently mounted (broken) body cap would be a give away?

Regardless what you think about the request for a broken camera body, the mere fact that someone has to "appear" to look professional to be discerned as professional strikes a nerve here.

Yes, you do have to cater to the lowest common denominator.
Remember that everyone with a camera is a potential terrorist now.
You're expected to act in some way for a reason.
Recognise that if you're a wild looking man with an axe dripping red paint. Carry it down the street.
A large proportion of people might not expect you to be a tree surgeon who likes red axes.

Now someone wants to take advantage of this phenomenon and some of you have a bleat about it.

Use human nature to your benefit, or suffer its consequences to your loss.
It's something you'll have to decide yourself.

I beg to differ. We live in a materialistic and perception based society, sadly how one presents oneself goes a long way in getting the job or getting the access.

If having two cameras working or not gets him to the front row of an event, well it worked.

If having two cameras meant Wendell is not asked by a security guy or a PR person what he is doing "here" during the course of the night, it worked.

If having two cameras gets him inside an exclusive club???? It worked.


I don’t know too much about the industry but if it is common and easy for ANY JOE to get a press pass. No wonder the event managers gets jaded and tell the security to be vigilant against fake Pro’s

I am guessing here, I thought a press pass was hard to get? I would love to get one. Not to take photos but to be able to park….

Also you mentioned you organised something for GP. I presume you were in a group and used the DSLR banner and got some privileges not afforded to the average punter, is this not due to perception. How far do you think you would of gone if you turned up by yourself and asked for the same previleges?

Its like my last job I worked in, the company was rarely invited to any major Telecom events and if it was it was usually seated in the back.

Then the said comapny releases a tender for $55 million ADSL2 DSLAM upgrade….I get so many invites and reserved seats to events its not funny.

Its all marketing and perception.

Though I totally agree with you Gray that as a pro, you should have a backup body as soon as finances allow.

whiz wrote:Remember that everyone with a camera is a potential terrorist now.

I suspect you're confusing aspects of two different concepts here.

The issues of making images in public are very real, and in many eyes, the mere existance of an SLR body about one's person makes many feel that one might be of a terrorist bent.

In this thread though, Wendell is expressing a desire to carry not just one, but more than one SLR bodies within the confines of an event, so as to "look" professional.

By virtue of the former (in public) test, that goal has already been achieved.

But I find it difficult to accept that one needs to carry a dud body in order to be treated as a pro. Leek has correctly pointed out a serious flaw in that apprach, and I think that I have presented a more than adequate argument suggesting why a second, working body, should be at hand.

And as to Wendell being a terrorist? I should hardly think I need to highlight who should be terrified at the thought of Wendell coming along to photograph any event.

ipv6ready wrote:Also you mentioned you organised something for GP. I presume you were in a group and used the DSLR banner and got some privileges not afforded to the average punter

Actually, I said nothing of the sort.

All I said was that we needed to deal with the restrictions within the event as best we could.

Though I totally agree with you Gray that as a pro, you should have a backup body as soon as finances allow.

If you don't have that second body, then WTF are you doing even thinking of calling yourself a pro? There is simply no way in the world that you can guarantee that you'll come home with the goods. What sort of a pro says "yes, I'll take that job, but I don't know if I can actually finish the job?"

hi

my advise, get some business carsd printed. be friendly to all the people. you never know who may open a door for you next time. get some shots of the bodygard with some celebrety even if he apears on the background then have it printed and give to him. bodygards always wanted photos and are great friends in time of need, as well as promoters and public relations people. sometimes a bunch of roses is great to say thank you. poeple remmeber


christian

Geez Wendell, if anyone would have a broken camera I would expect it to be you

Just kidding

Wendell,
Do you want to get the D2x display model? the shell only (plastic), nothing inside, similar to the display mobile phone in the shop? you can mount your 28-70 on it. Hard to break it, it built to last!

birddog114 wrote:Wendell,
Do you want to get the D2x display model? the shell only (plastic), nothing inside, similar to the display mobile phone in the shop? you can mount your 28-70 on it. Hard to break it, it built to last!

Birddog.. We're talking about Wendell here.. he can break anything

Sorry again Wendell.. these are just too classic to keep to myself hehe No offence intended

He can break it, but at least it's no harm to him.
Hard plastic built having rubber covered exactly as the real D2x, once you see it displayed in the cabinet, you can't tell it's fake.
That's the one I proposed to sell to kipper while ago, when he had his rant on the expensive of D2x.

Oh my, you seem to have created quite a stir here Wendell! I have a black F50 (working) that you can borrow or buy if you want, I haven't used it since I got my D70.

What? a F50? for how much? 50 bucks?

Exactly why I've kept it and haven't sold it, it's worth more to me as a backup body! Plus, it still works if he wants it.

MCWB wrote:Plus, it still works if he wants it.

It won't for much longer if he does.

Like taking candy from a baby Gary.

uuhmmm


it is not the equipment size... it is how you work with it!

christian

F50? Get the silver one if you want to get laid...

Cheers
Steffen.

Trent,

Yes.

Did I mention you will cop a bit for this Wendell?

I predict this makes 5 pages



Edit: too late, we are already on four

Poor Wendell

The fact is that appearance matters. If I drive my Charade on the road, I frequently experience road rage and bullying. If I drive my other European brand car on the road, I rarely experience these things.

If I dress one way the response from people is different than if I dress in a different way.

People behave and respond in different ways to different visual stimuli, no question about that.

I don't really see anything wrong with Wendell having a couple of impressive looking non-working cameras around his neck. Heck - if it is a means to an end and he is happy to carry the non-functional weight, then why not?

But, Wendell, you probably would be wise to give careful consideration to those who advised you to get real working backup cameras and lenses. This advice makes sound practical sense and would not only make you look the real thing but would add comfort of mind knowing you had backup should something go wrong with your shooting camera.

Besides, as a professional photographer, I expect that all your camera purchases would be tax deductable and the real cost to you would be a heck of a lot less that the cost to us amateurs.

Cheers

Graham

bago100 wrote:Poor Wendell

The fact is that appearance matters. If I drive my Charade on the road, I frequently experience road rage and bullying. If I drive my other European brand car on the road, I rarely experience these things.

People think a lot of stupid things about a whole range of subjects. Should we pander to everyone's whims? The fact is that adjusting your appearance to suit someone else's incorrect assumptions, whether it's your car, your clothes, or your camera gear that you're changing, merely encourages these irrational prejudices, when you should be letting people know just how wrong they are.

bago100 wrote:
If I drive my Charade on the road, I frequently experience road rage and bullying. If I drive my other European brand car on the road, I rarely experience these things.

Graham

Graham, I have some bad news for you, the Charade is not a European brand, no matter what the salesman told you [/b]