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pec pads

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:47 am
by Big Red
where in brisbane/goldcoast do they sell pec pads ?
after a lot of abuse, dusty trips, even dustier 4WD competitions and around 16000 odd photos i have some really stuck dust bunny's.
The Giotto has done a great job so far but its time to get serious :lol:

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:15 am
by Manta
Shane

The only place you can buy them from is Quality Camera Sales.

I can help you out in the meantime though - I've sent you a PM.

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:33 am
by petal666
I've got a spare pack which is unopened. I bought two packs for some reason.

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:54 pm
by Steffen
Not wanting to drag this into the wrong direction, but I was wondering...

I know everybody around here uses Pec-Pads and Eclipse/methanol for wet cleaning of their sensors. However, the manufacturer warns against using Pec-Pads on sensors. They say they're for lenses, and want you to use (much more expensive) sensor swipes instead.

What gives?

Cheers
Steffen.

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:00 pm
by MCWB
Steffen, sensor swipes are merely a mini pec pad wrapped around an appropriately sized spatula, and priced insanely high (something retarded like $8 each, whereas you get 100 pec pads for about 20 bucks).

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:01 pm
by losfp
Steffen wrote:much more expensive


Therein lies your answer, Steffen :)

I think basically it is because there is a decent risk of contamination during the process of wrapping and securing the pec pad around the stick thingie.

Oddly enough though, don't they also make the bare swipe stick as well? Or do they recommend that for pro camera service people?

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:06 pm
by Big Red
thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:15 pm
by birddog114
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:19 pm
by Manta
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.


And I'll bring my Prado as well...

I'm expecting Spooky to give me a call soon to arrange a similar sensor cleaning session but I've still got enough pads and methanol left Thanh. When you're only using a drop or two per swipe, that stuff lasts a looooooong time!

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:23 pm
by NikonUser
Manta wrote:
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.


And I'll bring my Prado as well...

I'm expecting Spooky to give me a call soon to arrange a similar sensor cleaning session but I've still got enough pads and methanol left Thanh. When you're only using a drop or two per swipe, that stuff lasts a looooooong time!


Except when you don't put the lid back on properly and it evaporates on you... just when you need it most. Happened to me last week :roll:

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:24 pm
by Manta
NikonUser wrote:Except when you don't put the lid back on properly and it evaporates on you... just when you need it most. Happened to me last week :roll:


Bugger! (Just went and checked the lid on mine!!!)

But surely a D2x wouldn't get dust on the sensor, would it?? :wink:

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:28 pm
by NikonUser
Manta wrote:
NikonUser wrote:Except when you don't put the lid back on properly and it evaporates on you... just when you need it most. Happened to me last week :roll:


Bugger! (Just went and checked the lid on mine!!!)

But surely a D2x wouldn't get dust on the sensor, would it?? :wink:


Are you kidding? As if it would!!! :)

I was just cleaning the 'ol D70. I didn't want it to feel too left out. BTW. I have actually read that the D2X suffers less from dust bunnies than the D70... probably BS but time will tell I guess.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:30 pm
by birddog114
Manta wrote:
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.


And I'll bring my Prado as well...

I'm expecting Spooky to give me a call soon to arrange a similar sensor cleaning session but I've still got enough pads and methanol left Thanh. When you're only using a drop or two per swipe, that stuff lasts a looooooong time!


O/T
Manta,
Have you mod your Prado yet?
The only thing I did was: adding on the Dtronic chip to the Patrol.
I'm thinking of lift my Patrol up to 2" + 3" TaipanXP Vortex exhaust system so Big Red can take me to the 4by track.
I'm still learning and enjoying reading from other 4by sites as overlander, Nissan Patrol 4x4 etc...

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:31 pm
by Slider
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.


Manta wrote:
And I'll bring my Prado as well...




Big Red's motto is "You can follow me but it's gonna hurt"

Make sure your lift kits, 35" tyres and air-lockers are all in working order.

Have fun :twisted:

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:36 pm
by birddog114
NikonUser wrote: BTW. I have actually read that the D2X suffers less from dust bunnies than the D70... probably BS but time will tell I guess.


Yes, it's, no BS here! my experience with the D2x after 12 months in use.

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:38 pm
by birddog114
Slider wrote:
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.


Manta wrote:
And I'll bring my Prado as well...




Big Red's motto is "You can follow me but it's gonna hurt"

Make sure your lift kits, 35" tyres and air-lockers are all in working order.

Have fun :twisted:


Mark,
Seen his "Big Red" and realized that we have nothing :oops:

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:01 pm
by Steffen
Manta wrote:But surely a D2x wouldn't get dust on the sensor, would it?? :wink:


No, not if you keep it under methanol at all times... :shock:

Cheers
Steffen.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:08 am
by optogamut
Hi Guys,

I've got a recently aquired D70 from Atorie (still missing!) and was just looking at some shots while playing around today and have noticed a few recurring marks. See pic mainly LHS (I only picked this photo because the marks show up):

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So, these marks can be seen on shots from different lenses, so I'm assuming I have some dreaded sensor dust bunnies? What's my best course of action? Do I need these pec pads?

Any help appreciated.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:52 am
by Big Red
a Giotto air rocket will probably get rid of the dust bunnies off your sensor but if they stick on too hard and air won't shift them then a wet clean with the pec pads is needed.

mine is 18 months old and somewhere around 18000 pics and this was my first wet clean

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:57 am
by Big Red
birddog114 wrote:
Big Red wrote:thanks Manta and Birdy ...
dropped over to Manta's joint tonight and he cleaned the sensor for me and supervised me having a go at it ... pretty simple process with the right bits sent up by Birdy.

Thanks guys 8)


Next time, when I'm upthere with my Patrol, you'll take me out to the 4by track and show me how can I work it out :wink:
If there's any more supply needed, just PM me.



would love to take you and manta out for a spin ...

heres a link to some captures from the video i did on the weekend to whet your appetite :mrgreen:

http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/gallery/toug ... s-rd2-2006

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:04 am
by birddog114
Thanks Big Red!
Lot of fun on those photos, love to do it one dayin the near future.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:37 am
by Manta
I thought the event was all about 'tough' tracks? These look pretty tame.... :shock: :wink:

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:44 am
by optogamut
I think I might have just been around lond enough that I'll be allowed to talk to birddog soon? seems like he's the man to see about some of this stuff?

question: Is canned air a no-no on sensors?

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:48 am
by birddog114
optogamut wrote:I think I might have just been around lond enough that I'll be allowed to talk to birddog soon? seems like he's the man to see about some of this stuff?

question: Is canned air a no-no on sensors?


Yes, I do not recommend to use canned air.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:29 pm
by gstark
losfp wrote:
Steffen wrote:much more expensive


Therein lies your answer, Steffen :)


Not to mention the CYA aspect.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:30 pm
by gstark
optogamut wrote:question: Is canned air a no-no on sensors?


Absolutely a no no.

Consider the implications of getting some propellant on your sensor. Not exactly a desirable outcome, is it?

Just get a Giotto.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:08 pm
by optogamut
gstark wrote:
optogamut wrote:question: Is canned air a no-no on sensors?


Absolutely a no no.

Consider the implications of getting some propellant on your sensor. Not exactly a desirable outcome, is it?

Just get a Giotto.


I thought so, just wanted it confirmed. I took the brush off myt old blower and had a little go, but not quite enough. Is the Giotto more focused with the air? And still worth trying before stepping up to the pec pad type of cleaning?

Cheers.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:28 pm
by gstark
optogamut wrote:Is the Giotto more focused with the air? And still worth trying before stepping up to the pec pad type of cleaning?


More focused, and substantially bigger, meaning that it provides far greater air pressure than you'll see from any blower brush. Mostly, IME, blower brushes are more accurately puffers than blowers.

And yes, definitely worth trying, and indeed, no DSLR owner should be without one.

Finally (on the subject of blower brushes) you should also not be tempted to use one of these on your sensor either. The bristles may contain oil if they're some form of genuine animal hair, and/or the brush may shed, leaving bristles on your sensor. Not a good look. :)

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:07 pm
by mudder
optogamut wrote:...Is the Giotto more focused with the air? And still worth trying before stepping up to the pec pad type of cleaning?

Cheers.


G'day mate,

Definately get yourself one of the Giotto rocket blowers, I used to clean mine using eclipse and a swab, but since getting a blower, that's all it's ever needed... Well worth it I reckon... And it also means you're not physically touching the glass filter over the sensor so less chance of anything untoward happening :)

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:39 pm
by Matt. K
The Giotto blower also has a filter in the return valve which prevents dust from being sucked into the bulb. That's one its strong features.

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:11 pm
by optogamut
Are they common? Where do I get one?

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:49 pm
by gstark
optogamut wrote:Are they common? Where do I get one?


You need to read the FAQ regarding special access. :)


Then you need to look in the bargain section, and/or do a search. This information has been posted at least twice within the last week or two, but if you came up with a bird and a dog as some part of your answer, you'd probably be getting quite close to the correct one. :)

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:56 pm
by Oneputt
Very cryptic Gary :lol:

PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:09 pm
by Yi-P
Matt. K wrote:The Giotto blower also has a filter in the return valve which prevents dust from being sucked into the bulb. That's one its strong features.


Its actually the selling and marketing point of that blower... Its been "patented" so they can sell longer... 8)

PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:44 am
by optogamut
gstark wrote:You need to read the FAQ regarding special access. :)


Better send you a PM then, and see if I'm a chance of being anointed as special yet? :lol:

PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:10 am
by Big Red
thanks to birdy i picked up some pec pads and 100% ethanol and needed to find an applicator to clean the sensor before tomorrow morning.
The lid on my tin of touch up paint was the best i could come up with after looking around for two days so i wrapped a pec pad around it, applied a couple of drops of ethanol to it and gave it a careful wipe just in one direction only as it is wide enough to cover the full width of the sensor, i then changed the pec pad and did it in the other direction.

looks like its got rid of all the spots looking at a before and after pic of a white napkin at smallest aperture but i will have to check it under a blue sky.

8) :D
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