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I read this earlier Greg and was amused that they changed from will to consider

There was a similar talk recently about photography in the art world being in some serious trouble now that anyone and everyone can pick up a camera, maybe Photoshop it a little, and then claim it as art, and as such you have a whole ton of people claiming they're artists by shoving out a whole bunch of crap and leaving those that really do try to make art in the Photographic world

This is just another gunshot because as film moves out of the marketplace, people will find that less effort really needs to go into an image before it has to be considered art.

Then again, it's not just the fault of the people bludging it to have their work considered art.

Not surprise at all, either now or later.

"Film's day are numbered"
Greg Surely you didn't mean to write that
Oh and by the way... I'm surprised that you haven't asked the admins to remove the superfluous comma and apostrophe in the forum's site description yet...

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leek wrote:Oh and by the way... I'm surprised that you haven't asked the admins to remove the superfluous comma and apostrophe in the forum's site description yet...

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I thought the apostrophe tick-mark that would appear to be seemingly redundant may be used when forming plurals of three-letter TLA's (and other capitalised acronyms in all upper-case letters), as per explicitly allowed permission.

But then, I'm just a foreigner from abroad, what do I know?

Cheers
Steffen.

Steffen wrote:I thought the apostrophe tick-mark that would appear to be seemingly redundant may be used when forming plurals of three-letter TLA's (and other capitalised acronyms in all upper-case letters), as per explicitly allowed permission.

Err... No... In the same way that the signs that you see promoting Pizza's and half price banana's are also incorrect...

Nnnnsic wrote:claim it as art, and as such you have a whole ton of people claiming they're artists by shoving out a whole bunch of crap and leaving those that really do try to make art in the Photographic world

I daresay there are plenty of people out there who think that so-called 'artists' turn out plenty of crap as it is, so what's a bit more

Despite all these talks, while air and space espionage exists, B&W emulsions will be on the market. Colour films could be gone but B&Ws will last much longer. Chemicals won't be a problem too 'cause you can always mix your own and there are plenty of recipes and great flexibility

Nnnnsic wrote:There was a similar talk recently about photography in the art world being in some serious trouble now that anyone and everyone can pick up a camera, maybe Photoshop it a little, and then claim it as art, and as such you have a whole ton of people claiming they're artists by shoving out a whole bunch of crap and leaving those that really do try to make art in the Photographic world

It used to be much harder to get literature published as well. Now, practically anyone can do it - you can even self-publish if you have the money for it.

You can see this as a good thing in that literature has been democratised - more people have the oppportunity to express themselves through writing, and they have a better chance of getting published.

You can also take the view that is taken by most academics in the field, who no longer have a monopoly over literature as an art form, that the standard of literature is being lowered, and thus, literature as art is threatened.

It's a matter of who you think should have the power and authority to determine what is art - the masses or the intellectuals.

Personally, I do think there is more total shit being published, but I can't deny its popularity. Also, I don't think that the academics in the field are ever going to give up pushing their own views about what is great literature, the real change is that now this kind of critique is confined to academic circles, one of the biggest complaints of whom is of the low standard of what everyone else is reading.

Film is effectively dead. Debate over. Sure, there may be one or two niche markets for it in the same way I'm sure you can still buy vinyl records from somewhere, but it's dead.

I don't know any pro action photogs who use film. I don't know anyone who has bought a new film camera in the last few years.

Some time soon we'll be calling DSLRs "SLRs" and film SLRs "FSLRs".

I agree with Dion that a lot of "art" isn't really what many would term art, so what does a bit more rubbish matter. BTW an apostrophe is never used for plurals of words like pizzas, Australians, Toyotas and bananas. Modern usage is also that it is not used for acronyms like DLSRs or PCs either.

Steffen, in my experience those learning English as a second language often have a better grasp of these matters than native speakers. This is because the natives learn by osmosis which is unfortunately often incorrect, and speech where spelling isn't a problem, whereas the students who study learn the correct rules.

macka wrote:You can see this as a good thing in that literature has been democratised - more people have the oppportunity to express themselves through writing, and they have a better chance of getting published.

Yes.

Although more people still need to learn how to speak and write correctly in theie chosen language.

Including (perhaps especially?) those who self publish.

No, I'm being cruel. I see far too many examples of piss poor journalism to simply say this applies mainly to those who self publish.

gstark wrote:Although more people still need to learn how to speak and write correctly in theie chosen language.

Was that on purpose, Gary?

I agree, though, there are two sides of the coin.

Which reminds me, what happened to Wally?

Cheers
Sheila

rmp wrote:Film is effectively dead. Debate over.

I'm just wondering if you have attended to the funerals ... You sound too sure

rmp wrote:Film is effectively dead. Debate over.

They say Elvis is dead too, but he's probably sitting in an old Cadillac outside your home with an F5 and a 500mm lens taking pictures of you on film right now...

Hlop wrote:

rmp wrote:Film is effectively dead. Debate over.

I'm just wondering if you have attended to the funerals ... You sound too sure

Of course I'd sound sure if quoted out of context

well I just burried my Kodak Ekkychrome boxes down the backyard.

film dead, Kodak dead, Agfa dead, Minolta dead.

now i'm using all digitall cameras, lenses and fillum so no-one can say that i'm a techno-cretin.