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Considering moving to Canon

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:49 am
by padey
I' m really weighing up the move to Canon.

I like the Fuji/Nikon bodies, but just hate waiting for nikon to update their pro glass.

Any thoughts from the dslr crew.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:56 am
by Kyle
You'd be crazy not to :)

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:05 am
by Geoff
Andrew, I understand your frustration, however with the quality images you take on a regular basis why do do you feel it necessary to swap over? What are you desiring currently that you don't have at the moment?

Re: Considering moving to Canon

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:09 am
by michael_
padey wrote:I' m really weighing up the move to Canon.

I like the Fuji/Nikon bodies, but just hate waiting for nikon to update their pro glass.

Any thoughts from the dslr crew.


Gavin uses Canon now doesnt he? you could certainly share equipment :) 5D or 1Ds for weddings is superb

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:13 am
by Heath Bennett
Well I dont think you'd have much trouble moving your glass.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:40 am
by Yi-P
You got most of all the Nikon pro glasses anyway, what else do you need in specific in a Canon glass??

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:32 am
by losfp
Yeah, go on.

I don't know how you would be able to get rid of all that nasty, obsolete Nikon glass though, but I might be persuaded to take it off your hands as a favour.


;)

Seriously... I agree with Geoff though - your images are consistently brilliant. IMO the equipment isn't holding you back at all.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:19 am
by jamesw
Perhaps he wants AF-S, VR, etc in primes?

I don't think the equiptment that padey needs/wants/desires is really a question of making his images better. It is probably about making his life easier.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:02 pm
by padey
It would be easier to process images if both shooters shot with the same equipment.

But more importantly I'd love faster focusing and quieter glass. 28 and 85 mm f1.4 are very slow, Canon 24/25mm f1.4 and 85mm f1.2 are a lot faster.

Plus an extra stop and better high ISO performance is the type of photography that I find myself longing for.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:10 pm
by TonyH
Looking at your glass I'd suggest the sale of your gear would take about 2.5minutes...... :D

Is it really worth the effort to change and perhaps a major financial loss incurred? :?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:38 pm
by losfp
The thing is though padey...

Nikon are going to have to update their line eventually. When they do, will you then wish you had stuck with the interface you knew, and will you get the urge to "switch back"?

could be a costly exercise.

Does your partner shoot canon?

(Remember if you DO switch, I bags first dibs on the 85/1.4, 10.5 and 17-55 ;) )

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:57 pm
by Colcam
Current indications from overseas is that September/October is a likely announcement time for the new Nikon stuff. Wait & see.
Col

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:48 pm
by moz
Colcam wrote:Current indications from overseas is that September/October is a likely announcement time


Wild stab in the dark: Nikon are unlikely to announce a wholesale update to their pro lenses. Even just announcing 400/2.8VR and 600/4 VR lenses at the same time would be pretty radical, deciding to do a wholesale update would be unheard of - even Canon with their greater budget haven't done that, it's been a new lens or two every year rather than "bam, here's the mk II version of our lens lineup".

Not that Canon actually have replacements for a couple of Padey's lenses at the moment - the 200/1.8 is no longer in production AFAIK, there is no 12-24 only the 10-22 crop lens and the 16-35 full frame, and the 85/1.2 is very slow to focus by Canon standards (I haven't seen the Nikon to compare). Is the Nikon 12-24 full frame? I assumed it was, that's why I was jealous...

Moz

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:59 pm
by michael_
losfp wrote:The thing is though padey...

Nikon are going to have to update their line eventually. When they do, will you then wish you had stuck with the interface you knew, and will you get the urge to "switch back"?

could be a costly exercise.

Does your partner shoot canon?

(Remember if you DO switch, I bags first dibs on the 85/1.4, 10.5 and 17-55 ;) )


cato shoots canon

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:04 pm
by Big V
Do it - switch - you will love the ability to shoot at high ISO and still have great colours and very low noise.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:29 pm
by Onyx
There are rumours in the pipeline of Nikon's new lens offerings coming up. But why wait til then, hope that it addresses your nedds, and then wait for another 12 mths for it to become available in the retail channels?! As you've already identified your needs, and the competitor is offering you a viable solution - take it! Go for broke... It makes business sense for you and your working partner to be shooting the same brand.

Meanwhile, I await your 'for sale' posts. That's right - the above post was typed with no hidden agenda. ;)

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:31 pm
by radar
Andrew,

in the end, it doesn't really matter what Nikon offers or for that matter, what Canon has to offer.

You make your living with your gear. Make your decision a business decision. Sure there will be a learning curve for you initially but put a $ figure on that as well.

As others have pointed out, there certainly isn't any problems with your talent, so Nikon or Canon won't really matter from that perspective. Now you just need to decide on the business side, not the art side. BTW, I don't lust any of your Nikon gear so I don't have a "vested interest in you selling the Nikon gear ;)

Good luck on your decision,

André

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:28 pm
by Oz_Beachside
if you switch, I'd love first dibs on your 200mm f2 (if its AF) :D

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:45 pm
by chrisk
if your moving to a 5d or 1d then that makes sense. FF and better iso. anything less than that though and the iso performance is hardly distinguishable from my experience with the 30d.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:44 am
by mR_CaESaR
padey wrote:But more importantly I'd love faster focusing and quieter glass. 28 and 85 mm f1.4 are very slow, Canon 24/25mm f1.4 and 85mm f1.2 are a lot faster.


I'm not sure exactly how much faster the 85mm will be, the 85L is quite slow in terms of AF.

I've got drama's with the AF speed on my 85mm but i'm not actually using it for sports shots.

I think as a wedding photographer, the 5D is pretty much a must, hell the only thing the 5D doesn't do well is sports, its a great portrait/studio/landscape camera.

I'd be more then happy to lend you out lenses if i can tag along with some of your shoots and observe as a wannabe wedding photographer ;) :D

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:58 am
by Yi-P
padey wrote:But more importantly I'd love faster focusing and quieter glass. 28 and 85 mm f1.4 are very slow, Canon 24/25mm f1.4 and 85mm f1.2 are a lot faster.

Moz wrote:Not that Canon actually have replacements for a couple of Padey's lenses at the moment - the 200/1.8 is no longer in production AFAIK, there is no 12-24 only the 10-22 crop lens and the 16-35 full frame, and the 85/1.2 is very slow to focus by Canon standards (I haven't seen the Nikon to compare). Is the Nikon 12-24 full frame? I assumed it was, that's why I was jealous...


I was playing a switch with Kris' 5D and 82/1.2L on the AW Dinner the other night... we found that the 85/1.4 on the D2H focuses MUCH MUCH faster than the 85/1.2L USM on the canon. It weights as twice much, and also twice more expensive than the Nikkor...

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:40 am
by Kris
What Yip says is true, but for weddings the slower AF than the 85 Nikon is a non issue.

Makes sense to have the same/similar gear to Gavin if your current gear isn't making life easy for you.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:24 am
by padey
The speed of the nikon 85mm depends on the speed of your screw drive. The D2h is a sports camera and the screw drive was always faster then my other bodies, with acceptation of my D2x.

Here is my initial wish list.

5D x2
24mm f1.4
85mm f1.2
50mm f1.2
135mm f2
16-35 f2.8

With the 200, i was thinking of getting a 200mm medium format lens.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:31 am
by Cre8tivepixels
Waiting for Nikon to announce something is like trying to play pick up sticks with your butt checks, its impossible....i am already moving to jump.....Nikon can BITE me!!

And i have even had the guys at European Cameras at Rozelle say the same thing, they have lost the plot!!!!!

Losing money is the only thing that has stopped me to date :(

Dan

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:04 pm
by Yi-P
Andrew, I'm after your 28/1.4 and Fuji S5... let me know if you are are planning to let them go... I'll provide a good home to them :lol:

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:39 pm
by padey
Yi-P wrote:Andrew, I'm after your 28/1.4 and Fuji S5... let me know if you are are planning to let them go... I'll provide a good home to them :lol:


They are all going, i just need to work out to best place to get all the canon stuff. US or HK or Poon or ???.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:08 pm
by gstark
Andrew,

As a reminder ... buying directly from hk, the us, through here from Poon ... there will be no tax invoice. That may need to be factored into your decision making processes.

That said, buying from the US may impose a higher likelihood of actually paying GST.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:28 pm
by Geoff
Wow.
I too am keen on Andrew's S5 :)

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:27 pm
by ozimax
Andrew,

As far as buying from Poon is concerned, I am very happy with the service and price given on a recent purchase of a 70-200 F2.8 IS.

If you're looking for an Aussie seller, I can thoroughly recommend Camera Direct in QLD as very helpful and competitive.

http://www.camerasdirect.com.au/

Ozi

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:47 pm
by Kyle
Lots of mixed reviews on the 50 1.2, might not be so good.. but you know what youre doing, i'm sure you will have already considered that :)

Nice list too, i'd love to have just a couple from it.. :D

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:06 pm
by padey
gstark wrote:Andrew,

As a reminder ... buying directly from hk, the us, through here from Poon ... there will be no tax invoice. That may need to be factored into your decision making processes.

That said, buying from the US may impose a higher likelihood of actually paying GST.


Its a case of swings and roundabouts, what I gain on the GST tax credits, i lose on the inflated price. So either is fine with me.

Just an aside, i thought the pope was more chance going to mecca, then you owning a sigma lens. :shock: :lol: :o :D

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:33 pm
by mR_CaESaR
padey wrote:Here is my initial wish list.

5D x2
24mm f1.4
85mm f1.2
50mm f1.2
135mm f2
16-35 f2.8


That's one hell of a wish list, you're missing a fisheye and 24-70 if you want to mimic your current lens line up.

I say by the bodies from australia, and buy your lenses overseas. Photo continental has them for just over 3k i think iirc and that's Australian warranty.

Lenses and accessories won't matter as they all have international warranty.

End of the day, whoever you make your purchase from is going to be very very happy :)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:20 am
by gstark
Andrew,

padey wrote:
gstark wrote:Andrew,

As a reminder ... buying directly from hk, the us, through here from Poon ... there will be no tax invoice. That may need to be factored into your decision making processes.

That said, buying from the US may impose a higher likelihood of actually paying GST.


Its a case of swings and roundabouts, what I gain on the GST tax credits, i lose on the inflated price. So either is fine with me.


Yep, absolutely. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the swings and roundabouts. (I'm sure you were, but it never hurts to highlight them, does it?)


Just an aside, i thought the pope was more chance going to mecca, then you owning a sigma lens. :shock: :lol: :o :D


I get the tools I need to do the jobs I want done. That's why I also now have a 30D. :)

I do have to comment, however, on (and apologise for) the really bad taste that everyone seems to be displaying in claiming dibs on your Nikon gear, when the patient isn't even dead yet.

That said .... we might need to chat about the 35 PC. :)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:09 am
by Onyx
17-55 I offer $1200. ;)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:27 pm
by Steffen
 LOL, if there is one thing that could make Andrew reconsider the switch then it's seeing the vultures gathering around his camera bag... :lol: :lol: :lol: PS I'd love to take that 12-24 off you, but I haven't quite the money atm...

Cheers
Steffen.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:39 pm
by jamesw
May i ask how much it would take for you to part with the 28mm f1.4? So that I will stop dreaming and definitely know it's unaffordable :(

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:49 pm
by ozimax
Andrew, when you've made the switch and then decide to revert back to Nikon, can you please sell me the Canon 135 F2? :lol: :lol:

Ozi

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:29 pm
by shutterbug
I thought long and hard about switching too :wink:

But decided to stick with Nikon :wink: It does the job and brings in the $$ to feed the kiddies :wink:

If I was in Andrews position I would switch so both shoots are shooting the same system :D

Vince

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:47 pm
by Kris
padey, ill sell ya all my gear ;)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:40 pm
by Steffen
ozimax wrote:Andrew, when you've made the switch and then decide to revert back to Nikon, can you please sell me the Canon 135 F2?


Haha, maybe you should consider switching to Nikon, as they have a very nice 135 f/2, with bokeh-control ;)

Cheers
Steffen.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:55 pm
by moz
Now available in book form, "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eagle_Has_Landed">The Vultures Have Landed</a>"?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:57 pm
by Kris
Canons 135 F2 aint bad with Bokeh ;)

Image

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:05 pm
by padey
Guys it's all going up on ebay.

As much as i'd like to give away all my gear to you guys for next to nothing, i'm going to need to get top dollar so i can lash out on all the canon gear.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:35 pm
by adam
Please share the ebay links :D

Just want to see it :D

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:08 pm
by padey
adam wrote:Please share the ebay links :D

Just want to see it :D


http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZgavin_cato

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:20 pm
by Geoff
Good luck with the sales Andrew - hope you get top dollar.

When will you purchase your Canon gear?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:58 pm
by Heath Bennett
Andrew - best of luck with the $ gathering. Are you going to list the 28 1.4? I didn't see it on ebay...

Thanks

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:50 pm
by padey
Heath Bennett wrote:Andrew - best of luck with the $ gathering. Are you going to list the 28 1.4? I didn't see it on ebay...

Thanks


It will go up once i find the box. You know when you put something away so you don't lose it. Well that's what i did with the 28mm f1.4 box.

ap

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:02 pm
by sirhc55
Andrew - your listing of the S5 shows it with the MB-D200 attached. You have listed the MB-D200 as a separate item - do you have two? If not, I would edit the post to show that the S5 does not come with the MB-D200 :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:30 pm
by padey
sirhc55 wrote:Andrew - your listing of the S5 shows it with the MB-D200 attached. You have listed the MB-D200 as a separate item - do you have two? If not, I would edit the post to show that the S5 does not come with the MB-D200 :wink:


i have 2.