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Bad Experience in Africa - Robbed at gunpoint

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:52 pm
by Spooky
My wife Corinne and I have had an unfortunate incident which I will summarise here. We were five days into a 7 week photographic trip of Africa. On the first leg we were camping at the Okajima/Africat complex about 200kms north of Windhoek in Namibia.

At 3am local time on the 2nd of February our camp was attacked. A group of men with guns and knives pulled all of the 9 people in the group and the 3 guides from our tents and dragged us into the middle of the camp, a few of us were punched and fell and had minor injuries like cut feet. A gunshot was fired in the air. Most of us were half naked and dazed and lights were shined in our eyes. We were robbed of just about everything at knifepoint, money passports, camera gear clothing etc, even took peoples wedding rings. They loaded the Wild Dog tour truck with our gear while we lay face down in a group on the ground, everyone was terrified they would execute us when finished. They started binding us up but decided they didn’t want to waste the time. Then they must have all jumped in our Wild Dog truck and left. They had terrorized us for about 25mins all up.

Corinne found her mobile phone still in our tent, most of the phones had been taken and the head guide rang the boss at Wild Dog to sound the alarm. She rang the main lodge at Okajima to alert them. We huddled together and tried to stop shaking surprised we were actually still alive and started a fire to keep warm as most of us had lost our clothes. After about 25mins a vehicle arrived from the lodge with an armed Guide.

Basically when the sun came up they moved us to the main lodge and the police arrived and took our statements. The lodge people looked after us and accommodated and fed us as none of us had money or passports etc. They put us up in their luxury villa for the night.

The trackers from the lodge found the Wild dog truck abandon and we eventually recovered some possessions, just mostly some clothes and things our attackers didn’t want, but they carried the rest of our gear including my camera backpacks to the road and were picked up by another vehicle and escaped. The police have not caught them as yet and I am not hopeful of getting any of our stuff back.

Corinne and I have now returned home. It took us 5 days to arrange the travel because we had no documents, the dealings with the Namibian government were very difficult, very frustrating when you have all ready been through a traumatic event. Wild Dogs Safaris and our family back home and our travel agent were very supportive of us. Corinne and I have lost all our money we brought for our 7 week Africa holiday, our credit and cash cards, our passports and visas, all my camera equipment, laptop etc. I lost all my images from the first 4 days of the trip of the Dunes of the Namib desert.

So basically I am devastated at this point after planning the trip for so long and so carefully. We have been extremely unlucky. That lodge has operated for 16 years and has never had an armed attack like that before.

I am hoping my insurance will cover most of my losses, cancelled tours, airfares and my camera gear but we had a fair bit of USD on me that was lost and I know we can't claim and also I doubt we can cliam the airfare over and back.

As for lessons learned I don't know what we could have done different to protect ourselves. We were on an arranged tour in a "safe" area with 3 guides. When you are awoken at 3am in the morning and dragged from your tent by multiple guys with guns and knives there is nothing you can do to protect yourself and your wife let alone your camera gear.

Will let you know how I go with the claims.

Thanks for listening.

Brett

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:56 pm
by Big V
Sorry to hear of your bad luck - no one should have to experience that. Hope you have better luck with the insurance.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:03 pm
by Glen
Brett, that is a terrifying story, glad to read that everyone came out physically ok and that your wife & you are safe home. I hope tidying the insurance side is straightforward and that you both eventually recover from the experience.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:22 pm
by W00DY
WOW... :shock:

Sorry to here you had to go through something like this, that would have been terrifying.

At least you are home safe, which is the main thing and hope everything goes smoothly with replacing your gear. Should we warn Poon that a new order could be on it's way?

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:23 pm
by the foto fanatic
Brett
I can't imagine how absolutely frightening that must have been.

I know it must be difficult to do so, but my advice would be to forget about the lost images and money. Replace whatever gear you can with the help of your insurance, and be thankful that neither you nor your wife were injured.

Our thoughts are with you.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:54 pm
by losfp
Brett, I'm sorry to hear that. Very sobering tale, especially as I am very keen on Africa as our next big travel location - I will just have to reassess in a couple of years when I was planning on considering going...

Agree with cricketfan - the gear and money and clothes etc are just things, you and your wife are safe and that's all that matters in the end.

I hope you have a good run with insurance to recoup most of your losses, and that you will eventually be able to return and complete the trip at a later date. Good to hear that you generally had a lot of support from the tour operators etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:01 pm
by big pix
Sorry to hear of your bad experience, but glad you and your wife are OK........

........ there goes my Photo trip to Africa...... Dobbo Zoo looks good

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:07 pm
by Bindii
Oh how awful for you both! *hugs*

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:16 pm
by PiroStitch
Sorry to hear of your ordeal! All the best with your insurance claims and sorting the other matters out.

The positive is that both of you were not physically hurt in the event and that you managed to return in one piece.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:38 pm
by radar
Sorry to hear Brett,

You were all lucky to escape mostly unhurt. Good luck with the insurance.

Cheers,

André

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:43 pm
by glamy
I feel sorry for you and your wife. Such a low after what must have been such a high and the frustration of being unable to do anything... The thing is these days there are very few safe places and even then fate may have it that you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Look on the bright side: you have had an experience that money cannot buy, both of you are safe and in some time I hope you will look at it without too much resentment.
Cheers,
Gerard

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:06 pm
by Yi-P
Sorry to hear this terrifying story, but I'm so glad that you made it in physically good shape.

All the valuable been lost but glad you and your wife still alive and all those lost can be earned/bought back again.

Good luck with the claims. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:17 pm
by ATJ
Brett,

I'm sorry for your ordeal, your losses and the fact that your trip of a lifetime was ruined.

It makes my trivial delivery problems pale into insignificance.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:00 pm
by methd
Money can't buy life... you can go back there and you can buy camera gear again. It's something to tell the grandkids, that's for sure.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:05 pm
by Willy wombat
What a story! :shock: :shock:
I dont think I could cope with trauma like that.

Lucky to escape with your lives by the sound of things. Glad to hear you made it home in one piece!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:27 pm
by sirhc55
Brett - it is great news that you can post this traumatic experience on the forum, it means that you and your wife survived, and that’s the most important thing to remember.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:33 pm
by adame
Mate tough luck, Hope all of you monetary and possessional loss is covered by insurance but i could understand that will probably never cover your trauma.

Adam

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:27 pm
by Matt. K
Don't let this ordeal harden you to life. Thieves rarely enjoy the booty of their crimes and at this very moment are probably fighting over the spoils and wondering which amongst them will rat to the police for a reward. They will end up tearing each other apart eventually. And you have a great tale for the grandkids! I hope the insurance company looks after you. If not, then let the forum know and we will spread the word.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:36 pm
by DVEous
... Obsolete ...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:01 pm
by byrt_001
Sorry to hear, but at least you are alive.

Africa is a beautiful continent but very unsafe. I left South Africa almost 3 years now and I just can not tell you how dangerous it is just to walk to the corner shop!

Be grateful that you escaped with your lives and with without serious injuries.

Regards

Christian

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:53 pm
by rookie2
S*** has certainly happened to you and your good wife Brett but as all have said , at least you are here to tell us about it....certainly not the photographic journey any of us want to take in the future!!.

Desperate people in desperate places sometimes do terrible things, so you are very lucky to be alive to tell us your story. In todays world it really could happen anywhere (ie an AirNZ flights!)

No doubt a traumatic experience that I hope the good people here can help you through with their assortment of advice, good humour and helpful insurance advice!!

Stay safe, have a cold beer and hope to see you posting pics again soon!

cheers

R2

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:44 am
by Dargan
It does seem as though you are lucky to still be alive. A dreadful experience for you both. I hope you can recover from the incident.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:26 am
by Old Bob
Really sorry to hear of you and your wifes ordeal. This incident will live in your memory forever, but don't let those mongrels stop you enjoying many more photographic adventures. It may help to record all your experiences while it is fresh in your mind, and you never know, someone may pay you to publish it.

Bob

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:51 am
by makario
Hi Brett,

I would like to echo the sentiments of the other above. You can always buy new gear, but you cant get life back. Glad you both are back home safe.

Cheers
Mak

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:43 am
by Geoff
Brett,
What an awful encounter :(.
Really pleased you are ok, don't under estimate the power of some counselling to talk this through, you will be surprised how it may help you move on. Take care buddy.

Re: Bad Experience in Africa - Robbed at gunpoint

PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:16 am
by Spooky
Thanks to all for the messages of support, it is appreciated. I am currently doing up a shopping list of camera gear and electronics, amazing just how much stuff I had in my camera bags. I think I will spend the next week searching the net and ordering. Well maybe I will hold off on the ordering till the new credit card arrives.

Cheers
Brett

Re: Bad Experience in Africa - Robbed at gunpoint

PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:37 pm
by marcotrov
You're back in Aus now alive and well. That's got to be a big plus. Hope everything else falls into place for you and Corinne Brett. Really makes you think about travel to such places in this day and age. On balance you were very unlucky but you just keep hearing too many others being 'unlucky' times are indeed dangerous and will, i'm afraid, become more so as the gap between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' widens in the world. I've always dreamt of trekking through Kenya, Namibia etc :(
cheers
marco

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:10 pm
by Slider
Good to see that you are back safe and sound after what must have been a totally horrific experience.

The money and losses are secondary to your well being but to have what would have been a trip of a lifetime wreaked by such low lifes must be a bitter pill to swallow. Hope all goes well from here on in.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:41 pm
by ozimax
It was a relief to read the end of your story and find that you escaped without physical harm. The gear is nothing compared to your safety. (I have many missionary friends around the world who are in constant danger despite their complete selfless lifestyles of sacrifice and giving to others. PNG, a scary place, is very much like Africa and it's just north of us.)

Anyway, glad that you're home and safe.

Ozi.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:40 pm
by stubbsy
Brett. Firstly my comisserations to Corinne and yourself for what sounds like a terrifying ordeal. The sheer randomness of this is probably just that and I'd urge you to not let this sad event dissuade you from future travels in the "less safe" parts of the world. You could just as easily be in the wrong place etc in the US or Europe - if we lived our lives in fear of such extreme outcomes we'd never leave our house. As you say, you did everything right. Merely talking about this is good too as it is useful to undurden yourself of such things. I wish you good luck with your insurance and hope you both put this distasteful experience behind you as quickly as possible.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:18 pm
by Killakoala
Strueth, that's shocking. I can only imagine how terrifying it must have been for you and your wife. The main thing is that you got out alive, anything else can be replaced, albeit expensively.

Good luck getting back on your feet.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:55 pm
by anubis
Am really shocked to here about this, am glad you all got our safely.

I'm sure you'll have no problem with the insurance.

All the very best.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:05 pm
by Big Red
wow, what a story you have to tell and your both ok to tell it !!

when i was in New Guinea the rascals cut a tree down across the road to stop me but i had the shits with being run off the road three times in 15kms and was driving way way faster than i should have been and managed to get past before the tree hit the road ... there had been a spate of these where they dragged the people out and robbed and killed them.

a couple of weeks after my incident they killed a priest and 4 nuns in a car near the same spot :shock:

makes you appreciate travelling in Australia even more 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:39 am
by zafra52
It is a terrible ordeal, but the main thing is that you all were safe. For what you say, it looks to me that the attack was very well planned and calculated by someone who knew the itinerary. I wouldn’t be surprised if some corrupt official were involved. On the other hand, I guess it could have happened anywhere and that is the risk we take daily when we leave our homes. Don’t let this terrifying event prevent you from travelling and seeing the world. Look the few positives you can find of this experience; you are back safe and it could have been worst - bit it wasn't, you saw beautiful things, friendly people and foreign cultures, and possibly you made good and lasting friendships.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:40 am
by Oneputt
That is absolutely awful. To have planned and looked forward to it so much, and then to have that happen.............. :(

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:53 pm
by Alex
What a shocking experience. Glad to hear you weren't harmed.

Alex

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:07 pm
by Spooky
We are currently planning our next trip. Not sure where yet but probably back to Africa. One of the worst things about the whole incident is the trauma our parents went through. I don't have the heart yet to tell them we will probably go back next year.

Anyway insurance first, if they don't pay up I won't be able to afford the next trip anyway.

Any tips on this matter? I had travel insurance with Suresave and I also have the photography package with Insuranzdirect.com.au so I hope between the two of them I can get most of it back. Kiss the cash I had goodbye unfortunately.

Brett

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:14 pm
by ozczecho
Spooky wrote:We are currently planning our next trip. Not sure where yet but probably back to Africa.


Love your spirit...I hope the insurance companies come through so you can take your trip.

Mike

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:17 am
by beetleboy
It is horrible to hear these kinds of stories from a place held so dearly in so many people's hearts. Africa is an awe-inspiring, life-changing kind of place - just not always a positive one. My fiancee's family still lives in South Africa and these horror stories filter thru at least once a month. We have chosen to get married there this year and have been trying to convince my sister in-law to come along but it seems she's heard too many of these stories and is simply too scared. Having been there 5 times I easily forget the "run-in's" we've had on our trips as they're far outweighed by more positive and memorable experiences - but it only takes one moment for all of that change; as you have discovered so horrifically.

I feel for you and your family Brett and echo what everyone has said about replacing the material things and not allowing this to stop you from travelling.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:21 am
by beetleboy
Spooky wrote:Kiss the cash I had goodbye unfortunately.


I'm surprised you say this, all the travel insurance I've ever taken out has covered very large sums of cash. Have you checked the PDS?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:46 am
by BT*ist
Horrific story - possessions are secondary, though, it's good to hear that you came out (physically) okay and are back Home now. All the best with the insurance

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:42 pm
by Alpha_7
Sorry to hear about your terrifying experience but glad that you and Corinne are both safe and sound, if a little shaken.Best of luck with your insurance company, I hope they come through for you. Having just been on a tour of Egypt where half over half the group had been in east and southern africa or were going there next, I was seeding the idea of a Africa trip in a year or two but selling that it safe enough to Katie was always going to be the sticking point. (Especially now :shock: , but I think the rewards of experiencing the culture and meeting the people, seeing the wildlife etc still outweighs the significant risks).

Update re insurance

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 pm
by Spooky
Just thought I would update people regarding how I am going with my insurance.

I had a policy with Insuranczedirect that covered some of my camera gear. It took about a month to sort them out. I sent them everything they required up front. They then asked for other things Ithought they didn't need and I provided them. I then got told what I had just sent was not required and was asked for something I had submitted initially so I told them they all ready had it. I then was made an offer and I pointed out the things they had omitted, eg GST and freight charges. Eventually they offered me basiscally what I thought I was entilted to. So got there in the end by sticking to my guns and they have made me a reasonable offer.

My travel insurance (Suresave) is still being "processed". They asked for a document I didn't provide initially and I think it wasn't reasonable to do so but I provided it in the interests of progressing the claim. I had to fax it to them 4 times over about a week before they acknowledged getting it. There general mode of operating seems to be to delay payment at any opportunity. Each time they get something from you they give themselves another 10 working days to respond. They also have asked me for things several times and I have had to point out they got them in the original claim. I believe I am making progress but it is a frustrating process.

Just so you know what to expect if you find yourself in my situation. Make sure you keep your reciepts for your gear you have insured as I did.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:50 pm
by sirhc55
Amazing, you and your wife get robbed in Africa and then the insurance companies try to rob you (kind of). Typical :evil:

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:19 am
by Cre8tivepixels
Mate thank god your ok...but your story was touching and i am sorry for your misfortune :(

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:03 am
by Grev
Sorry to hear about that, wouldn't be able to imagine how it would of been... but glad you're fine.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:01 pm
by bwhinnen
I can only echo the sentiments of the others and am very glad to see you've jumped back on the horse to speak!

I am also happy to see the outcome from Insuranz Direct as well as I am insured with them. I only wish your travel insurance was better.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:39 pm
by Dipstix Pix
I hope I NEVER have to go there - glad you are still here tell the story. I have found the back blocks of Fiji and Hawaii being Pov enough for me let alone picking up a fatal disease or being a depository for some scum bag's knife or bullet in the middle of the world's begging bowl. Life means so little to these people and for someone who has absolutely nothing robbing a tourist could potentially give them more than they could earn in a lifetime. The odds are too short for thouest - you are braver than I'll ever be.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:25 am
by arreneli@gmail.com
I sincerely sympathize with you and wouldn't wish this on even those i dislike.

With that said, I'd like to make a point that no one have already made which i find it frankly distasteful. Perhaps its due to the trauma that you went through that made you kind of ignore it. But i hope you would correct that.

The title of your post should read "BAD EXPERIENCE IN NAMIBIA- ROBBED AT GUNPOINT". I doubt if this had happen to you in Italy you would have title your thread "Bad Experience in Europe - Robbed at gunpoint". Am quite sure things like this happen everywhere and like you said the place had been run for some years and no such incident.

Take care.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:03 am
by jupiter
Brett, I'm sorry to hear that you had this terrible experience - especially as Namibia is one of the safer countries in Africa. But as already said, you also could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time anywhere in Europe or the US.

I've been in Namibia 4 times and never came close to a dangerous situation, but that's because we made sure to follow the advice of locals:

  • Always travel in at least 2 vehicles
  • Don't slow down if somebody to tries to make you stop on roads
  • Be in a camp before it gets dark
  • Don't sleep on the ground, only in tents on the rooftop of your car
  • Don't get close to wild animals (as long as they're alive)

I've made the best shots ever in Namibia and met many friendly folks, so I can understand If you plan to go down there again. It's like a virus!

Wish you a great next time in Namibia,
Peter