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Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:23 pm**

I cant find anywhere in my manual that tells me how to do this:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?topi ... el_index=0

The shot is supposed to have been taken on a D70.

Please help the ignorant/unintellegent/dumbf..k that I am.

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:25 pm**

With photoshop that is the only way with the D70. D2X will do it in camera

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:30 pm**

If the ambient light was dark enough, or ND filters were used, the RPT flash mode on the SB-800 would have achieved the same result with a D70.

I've done some bouncing ball experiments with multi-flash hits in the same exposure and this sort of effect is quite possible.

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:31 pm**

Glen wrote:With photoshop that is the only way with the D70. D2X will do it in camera

Will the (dare I say it) 20D do it in camera?

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:32 pm**

I do not believe this is a trick shot - I believe this is for real in that it is a show piece

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:37 pm**

I'll have to have a read but Thom Hogan has something in his book about the old traditional SLR double exposure trick.

Posted: **Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:44 pm**

I have posted a double exposure type shot at:

http://forum.d70users.com/viewtopic.php?t=3032

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:50 am**

I believe it is a technique that involves taking a rapid succesion of shots say 5 in this case.

This thread will tell you how to do it, it is on OCAU in there photography forums, I dont think you need a login to view it.

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showt ... ght=layers

Quick extract of part of the thread :

Yep, all the photos taken with a tripod.

A quick example of how I did it (in photoshop), get two photos, call them your before and after photos.

Paste the after photo on top of the before photo, and in your layers window, select the visible layer and click 'Add layer mask' (2nd icon, rectangle with a white circle in it at the bottom).

Click on that new white rectangle in the layer window.

Select the pencil tool or whatever (you'll notice your colours are black and white only now).

Now if you draw somewhere with a large brush, you'll be erasing the current layer (kinda) and show whats on the next layer at that point. If you repeat this for multiple layers and multiple photos, you'll get that effect

(hope that made sense)

OR alternative

1. Take repeated shots from same vantage point. Doesn't have to be on a tripod, as long as the camera isn't moved too much.
The example below was shot at 1/1600 at 3 fps on Canon D60, handheld.
2. It is better if you know where the action will be, ie where it starts and finishes. Plan the shot so that you have both the start and finish in the shot.
3. You should now have three or four shots of basically the same scene with the action moving through it.
4. Select one shot as overall background, copy and paste each other photo onto background, one at a time is easier. Make the pasted photo semi transparent to help with aligning the images on the background. (Screen in PSP)
5. Align pasted photo to background, going back to original to rotate if necessary.
6. Erase pasted photo until all that is left is the action figure. Use feather on the erase brush to help blend the pasted figure into the background.
7. Trim photo if necessary, clean up etc.

Many sample images in that thread.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:48 am**

Why not four skiers?

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:10 am**

gstark wrote:Why not four skiers?

Gary - I agree - if you look at the photo carefully it certainly looks to me as if it is a team of boarders

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:50 am**

I stand corrected if Manta is correct. Though I would have thought to keep the shutter open for 1.5 sec on snow even on an overcast day would require would need a stack (literally) of nd filters. I still believe it is a tripod and continuous shooting, later combined in photoshop. Marcus why dont you email the photographer and ask how?

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:04 am**

In the photographer’s details he does not indicate that he has manipulated the photo or not - but it is interesting to see that he used Coke glass (aka Sigma)

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:04 am**

Glen wrote:I stand corrected if Manta is correct. Though I would have thought to keep the shutter open for 1.5 sec on snow even on an overcast day would require would need a stack (literally) of nd filters. I still believe it is a tripod and continuous shooting, later combined in photoshop. Marcus why dont you email the photographer and ask how?

If the shutter had been open for 1.5 seconds, you would expect some movement by the cars or pedestrians on the road...

If it was multiple snowboarders, even if they were dressed exactly the same, I would find it odd for them all to have exactly the same snowboard as well...

My vote is for Photoshop... Come to mention it, shouldn't the trees be green? :lol:

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:06 am**

I have seen a shot similar to this somewhere else and he explained how he did it. He shot the skier in continuous mode his had 9 in it than the background , he than used photoshop.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:07 am**

Why would the shutter need to have been open for 1.5 secs :?:

If this was a team jump then the shutter could have been open for 1/500th or whatever!

An interesting topic

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:12 am**

I don't believe that it was a team of boarders, for the same reason that this is not a team of BMX riders...
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2690718

He seems to have taken a few photos with this technique...

In his explanation for this shot he says:
"It is relativ easy.
I shoot a serie of photos, The Nikon D70 can do 8 shoots/sec. I made it from the same place, tryed no to move the camera. So, the photos are very similar, you can put the one on the another, made it 50% transparent-to put them exacly correct together, then you can cut the object from this picture, the sky is blue-it makes it very easy to do. The most difficult was Number first and Number Last. "

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:17 am**

Well done Leek, seeing that was the same photographer, I think that confirms he uses the photoshop technique. Works well too, by those two images

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:28 am**

I concur

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:29 am**

photoshop layering would definately be possible. im going to try a sequence of shots and see what i come up with in PS. will post in a day or so. shouldnt be too difficult by adjusting opacity on each layer for line up. everything about the shot would have to be perfect. including no tripod shake at all. a busy background will help alot for any imperfections in the line up of layers.

very interesting post!

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:30 am**

some one beat me to the punch. you guys type quick!

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:33 am**

just on that bmx shot check out the fringing from his deletions on the layers pretty sloppy but the effect works!

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:34 am**

Happened more than once to me Jethro, hesitate for a moment and there will be a couple of posts before you. One switched on bunch here.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:07 pm**

Thanks Leek............that's the answer.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:08 pm**

There was an tutorial in one of my mac magazines a few months back which explained how to achieve this exact thing.

And they used a snow skier in their tutorial too!

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:35 pm**

Those things are pretty fun. I rode on one in Whistler and it's surprisingly difficult to tip over.
I think that this is a pretty cool effect, but the pic itself doesn't do that much for me for some reason.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:51 pm**

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:03 pm**

Glen wrote:I stand corrected if Manta is correct. Though I would have thought to keep the shutter open for 1.5 sec on snow even on an overcast day would require would need a stack (literally) of nd filters. I still believe it is a tripod and continuous shooting, later combined in photoshop. Marcus why dont you email the photographer and ask how?

Fair point Glen but there's nothing to say it was shot during the day. :lol:

The photoshop option is by far the most plausible explanation and it's use is pretty well guaranteed through Leek's kind post of the BMX shot. However, in light of the original question about how such a trick can be pulled off within the D70, the multi-flash is the way to go. It will also do it in about 3 seconds as opposed to 30 minutes or so in PS!!

Still, it doesn't matter how was done - it's a top shot regardless.

Posted: **Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:51 pm**

Glen wrote:Well done Leek, seeing that was the same photographer

Yep... I simply went up a couple of menu levels and looked at his gallery... BTW - apart from these manipulated shots, he also has some extremely good natural photography in his portfolio...

The penultimate gallery is particularly interesting :shock:

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