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Setting colour mode on D70

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:25 pm
by the foto fanatic
I've just noticed something peculiar on my camera.
I was opening some pix I took last night, and found that Nikon View was telling me that they were in colour mode I, sRGB. I thought that this was unusual, because I had previously set the camera to colour mode II, aRGB.

When I checked the camera - sure enough, the custom menu said colour mode II. I further found that changing this setting to I, II, or III made no difference to what Nikon View showed, ie all pix in colour space I.

Also, the camera's numbering sequence has reverted to the format DSC_####, another indication that it is in colour space I.

My only thought is that this may have occurred when updating the firmware.

Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:02 pm
by Matt. K
This is just a guess...but maybe uploading the firmware resets all the default settings?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:26 pm
by gstark
Trevor,

Do the images (presuming the same subject) look different across the different colour spaces?

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:39 pm
by the foto fanatic
gstark wrote:Trevor,

Do the images (presuming the same subject) look different across the different colour spaces?


Gary
Just checking - doing some printing now. I don't see a difference on the monitor.
I'm concerned that whatever setting I put into the camera, no change is indicated by the software when pix are downloaded.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:37 pm
by kipper
Cricketfan I had the same problem lastnight when shooting a Nankeen Kestrel. All of a sudden my camera was shooting Color Mode I and was in Closest Subject Priority. I then realised I was shooting in Night Portrait mode, caused by an accidental rotation of the dial (wish there was a lock button). So make sure you haven't slipped out of your mode.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:25 pm
by MattC
Trevor,

I had a similar problem a while back - different cause, same sympton. The camera was saying ModeII but NC and PS was indicating sRGB. After fiddling for ages, I finally just returned the menus to their defaults manually and did a full camera reset to put it all right.

Cheers

Matt

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:53 pm
by the foto fanatic
MattC wrote:Trevor,

I had a similar problem a while back - different cause, same sympton. The camera was saying ModeII but NC and PS was indicating sRGB. After fiddling for ages, I finally just returned the menus to their defaults manually and did a full camera reset to put it all right.

Cheers

Matt


Thanks Matt - I'm going to try that. The pix I printed don't look right to me.
I'll keep you posted.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:09 pm
by Matt. K
Come to think of it...some of the shooting modes do have their own default colour space. For instance, the landscape mode will put the camera into colourspace adobe 11sRGB or whatever it's called, in order to saturate or enhance the greens.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:14 pm
by the foto fanatic
Matt. K wrote:Come to think of it...some of the shooting modes do have their own default colour space. For instance, the landscape mode will put the camera into colourspace adobe 11sRGB or whatever it's called, in order to saturate or enhance the greens.


Yep, that's true, and I was aware of that.
In any case, I have only been shooting in Manual, S or A.
So far, the reset has made no difference.
Everything that comes off the card says sRGB, regardless of the setting in the camera.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:14 am
by Onyx
Have you got latest firmware on your camera Trevor. This sounds like an issue listed on the 'fixed' list of the v1.2 fw.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:47 am
by MattC
Trevor,

Did you use the reset on the bottom of the camera (not the two button or menu reset)?
Also, when setting colour mode, selecting OK, then when returned to the previous menu, are you scrolling to and selecting"Done" to exit the menus? It is easy to cheat here and half press the shutter release or menu button to exit and lose the change.

I hope that I am not asking the obvious :)

I probably should have been a little clearer previously. Argh, three different resets! When I had that problem previously, I returned the colour mode to mode 1 so that the menu was saying the same as what was being output (shouldn't make a difference as a full reset is supposed to return the camera to the factory state, but did it anyway), then did a full reset using the switch on the bottom of the body.



Cheers

Matt

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:19 am
by the foto fanatic
MattC wrote:Trevor,

Did you use the reset on the bottom of the camera (not the two button or menu reset)?

Matt


No! Thanks for mentioning - I have only done 2-button reset and menu reset. I'll try it now.
Because this has only occurred since updating firmware to V2.0, I sent an email to Nikon Asia asking if they had any words of wisdom on the matter. I should hear from them directly.

Thanks for help, all.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:28 am
by sirhc55
Trevor - I am using the latest firmware for the D70 (Ver 2) and I always use Mode II. I have just checked in NC and PS and my NEFs are showing Mode II as shot.

Does not help you but it does indicate that the version change has not changed my settings.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:33 am
by the foto fanatic
MattC wrote:Trevor,

Also, when setting colour mode, selecting OK, then when returned to the previous menu, are you scrolling to and selecting"Done" to exit the menus? It is easy to cheat here and half press the shutter release or menu button to exit and lose the change.

I hope that I am not asking the obvious :)


Matt


OPERATOR ERROR! Many thanks to MattC for making sure the simple things were not overlooked. Just goes to show that you can't take anything for granted.
I'm assuming that the firmware update changed the setting to default, which is colour mode I, sRGB.
When I tried to revert to my preferred setting, colour mode II (aRGB), I changed the setting AND EXITED WITHOUT CONFIRMING (by OKing "Done" as Matt posted above.)

Images now showing correct colour space. Thanks to everyone who assisted, but special thanks to MattC for stepping through the problem logically for me.

Whew!

:D

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:39 am
by MattC
Happy to help :)

Cheers

Matt

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:40 am
by the foto fanatic
sirhc55 wrote:Trevor - I am using the latest firmware for the D70 (Ver 2) and I always use Mode II. I have just checked in NC and PS and my NEFs are showing Mode II as shot.

Does not help you but it does indicate that the version change has not changed my settings.


Thanks Chris.

If the firmware update didn't change it, I don't know how it happened. As evidenced above, I didn't know how to change it in the menu :!: :evil: :lol:

The only other possibility could be that I somehow pressed the wrong two buttons for formatting the card, and reset everything to default. I can't rule it out! :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:53 pm
by dhess
Hi Trevor,

Same thing happened to me.

I am pretty sure updating the firmware does reset the colour mode.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:08 pm
by Matt. K
Well done everybody!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:34 pm
by the foto fanatic
I'm so glad I am part of this forum.

Many of you will remember this thread, and the help offered quickly and accurately from forum members. I had lots of meaningful answers immediatey, and a complete solution within 24 hours.
At the same time as posting my initial problem, I sent an email to Nikon Asia giving them the details of the problem also. I got an immediate acknowledgement from them, advising that I should have a further response within 72 hours.
Today, 8 DAYS later, I received this by email:

Dear Trevor,
Thank you for contacting Nikon Asia Technical Support. Your case has been forwarded to us.
We will assist you from here.
What version of of Nikon Capture are you using ?
This can be the case if it is older. There are updates you can get from the download site.
Thank you once again for your support on Nikon Products. We hope that we have addressed your concerns.
Please feel free to contact us for more information.

With regards,
Ray


With all the best will in the world, you could hardly call this helpful or timely.

Not like the D70Users Forum (drum roll!)
Take a bow, everybody. :D