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PC Card/Cardbus/PCMCIA CF Adaptor performance

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:15 am
by Luke Smith
I have a cheap PC Card to CF adaptor that I bought from Jaycar and have never got decent performance out of it. When I’m copying images from the cards the CPU in my Dell D600 is at 100%, making any multitasking a bit frustrating. I’ve tried several cards including-

• Lexar 1Gb 80x - 74.305 MegaBytes/min. Read 74.870 MegaBytes/min. Write
• Lexar 1GB 80x in D70s over USB2 - 51.107 MegaBytes/min. Read 48.697 MegaBytes/min. Write
• Sandisk standard 256MB - 70.392 MegaBytes/min Read 74.934 MegaBytes/min. Write
• Sandisk Ultra II 1GB
• Generic 16MB one that came with my CP4500

And all run at a similar mediocre throughput. This morning I only had the top two available so I did some testing with RoboCopy and confirmed my suspicions by writing 60MB of data onto the card, ejecting it (to clear the cache), and re-reading the data back to the hard drive. As you can see the results are fairly ordinary, taking about 15 minutes to read a 1GB CF. An 80x card should in theory do 720MB/min. even in write mode, however something here is making the whole process very CPU bound.

Any suggestions of a better CF adaptor to buy would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Luke

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:49 am
by gstark
Luke,

What's the spec for the USB connection in your PC?

If your PC is only USB 1.1, that's where your bottleneck is; if the system's a desktop, you can drop in a USB 2.0 card for maybe $30.

Then, you need to make sure that your cardreader supports USB 2.0. As long as it does, and your computer does, then you'll be fine, and enjoying super-fast transfer speeds.

Does that all make any sense to you?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:57 am
by Luke Smith
The adaptor I'm talking about goes in the PC Card slot inside my notebook, sorry, I should have clarified. The only test done over USB was with the D70.

Like this - http://www.sandisk.com/retail/pca.asp

I guess that SanDisk make this http://www.sandisk.com/retail/ultra-pca.asp sugests that there are differences between adaptors.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:03 am
by gstark
Luke,

Ok, I have something like that too, and to say it's slow is being very, very kind.

But that's strongly suggestive to me that you're using a laptop; am I correct?

Regardless, what is the specification of the USB connections on your system? This is going to be the critical part of getting you faster transfer speeds, and USB 2 is what you're wanting.

Summary

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:19 am
by Luke Smith
Well, I've done a bit more research and figured out that the normal notebook PC Card adaptors that everyone sells are 16 bit. This makes them capable of about 1.2MByte a second, which is roughly what I am getting. There are 32bit cardbus versions available and they will do about 5-12 MByte a second, being limited by your CF card rather than by the adaptor and use a lot less CPU according to the makers. They are also a bit more expensive and a lot rarer in the shops.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0310/03102 ... ustest.asp

A review the Delkin 32Bit card, and compares it to firewire and old PC Card adaptors like the one I have.

The going rate for a Lexar cardbus reader is about $30 including shipping so I think I'll order one of these.

Cheers,

Luke

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:48 am
by ozonejunkie
I own one of the PCMCIA adapters in question, and agree that it is painful.

However,
I was in Harris Technology a (http://www.ht.com.au) the other day, and they had an adapter made by sandisk, that is designed to be used with the ultra II series CF's.

I didn't look over the specs, so I don't know if it is actually any faster, but it may be worth investigating. From memory, sandisk have a pretty good webpage.

If i am out there again (Fyshwick in Canberra) and they got it in stock, i might try it out. I recall it only being $20 or so.

Tristan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:52 am
by Luke Smith
Yep, I spotted those, however the photo doesnt show a gold connector sheild thats meant to signify a 32bit cardbus connector, like the Lexar and Delkin one does. If they will let my try it out at the Fortitude Valley store I might try it out.

L.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:53 am
by ozonejunkie
Just done some more research.
See: http://www.sandisk.com/retail/ultra-pca.asp

I can't find the specs though.

Tristan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:01 pm
by DVEous
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:34 pm
by Yi-P
Why would you get a PC card to CF card reader?

This will generally cost you much more than buying a USB Card reader.

You can get a 15-in-one card reader for less than $15 now.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:42 pm
by gstark
Adam,

My Asus notebook is similarly configured. I just use a card reader vis the USB2 port. For around $25 you consider this option.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:43 pm
by DVEous
... Obsolete ...

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:48 pm
by DVEous
... Obsolete ...

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:54 pm
by gstark
Mine is an M6Ne or somesuch.

Widescreen, 80GB, over two years old, and the battery still gives me more than 3 hours life.

I cannot recommend them too highly.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:03 pm
by cawdor
VK4CP wrote:A PC card adapter, on the other hand, can reside in the slot without having to be plugged in all the time without protruding from the notebook.

Anyway, I have found a Lexar 32-bit CF adapter that is available for $68 + courier. The speed of this device is similar to USB2.0 and Firewire.


I was in the same situation, I wanted something that doesn't "stick out" of the notebook and I tried the Sandisk Ultra PCMCIA adapter. It was sooooo slow. I took it back for a refund (the guy actually offered to let me try it out, cause he couldn't advise me on the speed). As far as I know, the PCMCIA speed is determined by the standard, not the device you use - but please correct me if I'm wrong, cause then I'd look into one of those for myself :)

PCMCIA wasn't designed for mass data transfer, unlike firewire. So if this card can pull off similar speeds, I'd be very interested.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:42 pm
by DVEous
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:43 pm
by DVEous
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:05 pm
by Glen
Adam, this is the chart you need, gives some good hard facts :wink: