Thinking about the 5D

[sejanus]

They are supporting them until end 2008. What I meant by suggesting one is that they are cheap as chips (relatively speaking), and still have output that rivals the best of them. I know guys who have converted to 1Ds MKII but still preferred the kodak for low iso work.

[birddog114]

They are supporting them until end 2008. What I meant by suggesting one is that they are cheap as chips (relatively speaking), and still have output that rivals the best of them. I know guys who have converted to 1Ds MKII but still preferred the kodak for low iso work.

Yes, I heard lot of good thing about Kodak, but when they stop its production and with limited support, these make people go away!

[kipper]

Isn't the zeiss f2.8 (assuming that's what you're talking about) only $1399US?
Doesn't seem like super dollars.....I was expecting some whacky amount like 5digits

[Big V]

Birdy, welcome to the Canon side.... I don't think you would be happy with the 28-300 IS lens. It produces soft images compared to the other Canon lenses....

[birddog114]

Birdy, welcome to the Canon side.... I don't think you would be happy with the 28-300 IS lens. It produces soft images compared to the other Canon lenses....

Thanks Big V,
It seems to me I have lot things to learn from now on with the 5D.

[sejanus]

on the topic, I just pre-ordered a 5D from dirtcheapcameras for $4894

I think they have "a couple" left and they are due here in 2-3 weeks

[birddog114]

on the topic, I just pre-ordered a 5D from dirtcheapcameras for $4894

I think they have "a couple" left and they are due here in 2-3 weeks

Gavin,
Thanks for your infos.
AU$4894.00 = US$3768.00

I'm sure I can get one for myself cheaper than that with O/S stock, they promised me by mid Oct. and I'm on their priority list..

Gavin, you normally ordered your gears from O/S, now switching back to buy in Australia.

[sejanus]

I've always bought camera bodies locally. They are covered by local warranty.

Lenses are covered internationally though.

[DionM]

What glass will you be getting?

Perhaps with something to start with (entree)
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Canon EF 28-300mm f3.5-5.6 L IS USM
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L 70-200 IS

Then main dishes:
Canon EF 24mm f1.4 L
Canon 35mm f1.4 L USM
Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

And waiting to see what the dessert are

Birddog - EF-S lenses won't fit 5D - they only fit the 350D, 300D, 20D (not even the 10D or earlier).

28-300 is a bit of a dog from all reports, but it is a good focal length and is an L.

70-200 - nothing more needs to be said.

Your choice of primes is also excellent - the 85 1.2 is nothing short of magnificient, esp wide-open (background, what background ... all I see is this beautiful blur of colour ...).

[birddog114]

What glass will you be getting?

Perhaps with something to start with (entree)
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Canon EF 28-300mm f3.5-5.6 L IS USM
Canon 70-200mm f/2.8L 70-200 IS

Then main dishes:
Canon EF 24mm f1.4 L
Canon 35mm f1.4 L USM
Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

And waiting to see what the dessert are

Birddog - EF-S lenses won't fit 5D - they only fit the 350D, 300D, 20D (not even the 10D or earlier).

Thanks DionM

I ditched it out of the list already.

[DionM]

I'm new to Canon camp and am still learning! the 16-35/2.8 is one of the lens I'm looking at, I also have the option try it if not happy then sell it.

Generally the 17-40 is held in higher regard (its only F4 though). It's about the only good wide angle Canon makes.

On the prime side, I'm also looking at the 85/1.2 and the 135/2.

The 85 (as I said) is great. The 135 is similarly awesome. You can also throw a 1.4x TC on it and it makes a great 200 f2.8.

[DionM]

Thanks DionM

I ditched it out of the list already.

Yeah I know, saw others had pointed it out well before me

[birddog114]

DionM,
I'm leaning on 16-35/2.8 mostly, coz I love fast lens, with Nikkor, I don't have many lens at f4 and I trust the 16-35 will be good as I'm expecting.

Well the 85/1.2 and 135/2

On Nikkor side, I have the 58/1.2 Noct, 85/1.4 and 105 DC/f.2 so I do believe these fast lenses on Canon camp will do better or equal the Nikkor camp. Once I have all of them in my hand then I can do a comparison tests of both camps.

[Sheetshooter]

Birddog,

I know guys with the 16-35 L 1:2.8 and every single report is that it is a dog.

Cheers,

[birddog114]

Birddog,

I know guys with the 16-35 L 1:2.8 and every single report is that it is a dog.

Cheers,

Just a dog or a sick dog? still learning, I'm.

[Sheetshooter]

A sick dog, Birdy,

Lying mutilated in the gutter gagging on a puddle of its own vomit.

Clear 'nuff?

Cheers,

[mitedo]

Hi Birddog ive had both the 16-35 & 17-40 & my 16-35mm was sharp as, only thing it was a little better in low light than the 17-40 if i had my time again i would just go for the 17-40 a lot cheaper, the other lens i would go for is the 100-400mm IS i have only used one a few times & got great shots from it,

[birddog114]

Thanks both of you!

[Heath Bennett]

In regards to opportunity cost, now that I have bought the D2x I am a bit biased... but this is what really made up my opinion before getting the D2x:

dpreview.com says: 'Compared to the $8000 EOS-1Ds Mark II the D2X is looking like a bit of a bargain' here is the page where they say this:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2x/page26.asp

This is when comparing actual picture quality... so in my opinion the less MP 5D (12.8 rather than 16.8?) is looking like it would be mainly better for high ISO work, which I rarely do. The edges of the 1dsmkII image can't compare due to the demand placed on the lens, not to mention vignetting. For extreme wide angle, FF wins, but most clientele I work with don't mind the job the 12-24 or 17-35 2.8 does at all!

I believe FF is the future, but only when DX loses its current advantage. When DX can't manage low noise - at 22MP perhaps, or if technology improves and Foveron chips work, perhaps 60MP, who knows?

To me, DX is still the sweet spot in the market.

[birddog114]

HB,
I'm not going to the Canon side for only doing a comparison but like to learn and finding out what the other side can do.

I have the D2x also as you've known and lot of Nikkors, I'm not sick about Nikon either but I do have an opportunity to learn and play with the new toy, not the best of the best but at least it's FF, if you don't have it in your hand then you can't tell the difference, pros & cons, I don't care it's DX or FF coz I don't do commercial, just pure hobbyist as other on this board so no one against me tit and tat.

I do believe Nikon is on its way to FF soon but not now, nor with the future of D200. I'm still looking ahead with the bright future of FF in whichever camp which I'm going to reside.

[Sheetshooter]

Yes Heath,

We have all read that and the urban myths put about by all camps in the early days are still entrenched. The simple truth is that the best gear to do the job is the gear you have - whatever that may be.

I have just about concluded several weeks of thorough testing and investigation into what best serves my needs - needs which are quite dependent upon wide angle capability. I can assure you that NO complex extreme wide-angle zoom from any maker necessary for cropped formats is worth its salt for my line of work (which is possibly differewnt to yours).

Furthermore, it is likely that the image quality of the soon-to-be-available EOS 5D may surpass that of the EOS-1Ds MkII which was the subject of that DPReview piece from which you quoted. The pixel size and pitch is far better than on the predecessor. While Phil Askey is a thorough and knowledgeable reviewer there is sometimes some difference between what he says and what we see. I have downloaded any number of his sample files, taken them into PhotoShop and scrutinised them. Even the EOS-1Ds MkII has the edge by a considerable margin in acutance and noise.

But, as i say, they are the parameters that I must consider for my work. Your needs would seem to be very different and speed, handling and file size may be more important to you.

The beauty of the situation is that there is something available to suit each and every one of us.

Welcome back, by the way. I have missed your pics!

[Heath Bennett]

Yes, I agree with you both.

To be honest I meant to put something at the end of my post but forgot.

What I was going to say is, that I can see exactly why birdie and sheetshooter would buy the 5D. It is a good choice for both people. Birdie has the money and interest to have both the GT3 and M3 CSL of both respective marques, Canon and Nikon. Why stop there? Why not buy the 1dsmkII instead however, for absolute max resolution, or even a medium format back? My guess: the answer is money better spent on family and other personal interests.

Sheetshooter, since you shoot architecture primarily (for professional use), this is the perfect camera for the price.

I shoot architecture sometimes also, but since it is a small percentage of the work, I just use distortion tools to fix the inevitable. To me the 12-24 isn't too bad though. At 15mm it is almost perfect distortion wise, and stopped down to f/8 it is pretty sharp. Any CA is cleaned up in NC or CS2.

I have had no issues from clients using the D2x with 12-24 for architecture however. It is fine.

[mR_CaESaR]

just came across this thread (slowly making my way through the threads as i'm still new here).

All i can say is, Birddog114, i am so envious that you can have the best of both worlds.

Now for my opinion

Have you got the 5D yet? Have you got any of your lenses yet?

My recommendations for lenses would be: (by the looks of things you will only settle for the best, so nothing but L series for you)

Zooms

- 17-40L (bloody wide on full frame, the same as the 10-22mm you wanted, but as mentioned previously that is ef-s lens whihc means it will only work exclusively with 1.6x sensors). Regarded to be sharper of the canon's WA lenses, if you want faster, probably go for a prime
- 24-70f2.8 L (would be an ideal walk around lens for portraits and the like on full frame)
- 70-200f2.8 IS the creme of the crop when it comes to canon lenses
- 100-400L one of the more versatile lenses out there.

With that you will have full range right up to 400mm!!

Primes

- 35L
- 50f1.4
- 85f1.2L
- 135f2.0L
- 200f1.8!!! Canon's sharpest lens ever

Man you might as well get a 1DSMKII

Sorry probalby getting too excited with the lens suggestions they are all lust lenses

[Sheetshooter]

Sorry probalby getting too excited with the lens suggestions they are all lust lenses

Absolutely! Appellation and urban myth are no basis upon which to spend money. There are some duds in that list - and some of the duds are 'L' lenses.

Buy a lens to best meet a need rather than to conform with the status quo and you will spend your money wisely.

Cheers,

[birddog114]

mR_CaESaR

As mentioned in another thread, I didn't get the 5D as my new venture, stick with Nikon and the D200 is soon will be in my hands.