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Dodgy Circular Polariser?

Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:32 pm

Ive been playing with my sigma 70-200 this afternoon because i think there is something wrong with it.. but.. it may not be the lens at all.. i think its possibly the filter... i used the filter on Oneputt's 80-400 and took 5 or 6 photos with it on.. and the images came out slightly blurry but i didnt take much notice of it.. i havent used the filter on his lens since then but now im back to the 70-200... i think the circular polariser is causing the image to blur.. has anyone else had the same problem with a CPL or any other lens?

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Re: Dodgy Circular Polariser?

Postby birddog114 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:44 pm

Zeeke wrote:Ive been playing with my sigma 70-200 this afternoon because i think there is something wrong with it.. but.. it may not be the lens at all.. i think its possibly the filter... i used the filter on Oneputt's 80-400 and took 5 or 6 photos with it on.. and the images came out slightly blurry but i didnt take much notice of it.. i havent used the filter on his lens since then but now im back to the 70-200... i think the circular polariser is causing the image to blur.. has anyone else had the same problem with a CPL or any other lens?

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No, how can the CPL make the photo blurred?
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Postby sirhc55 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:51 pm

A faulty CPL can be caused through the construction of the filter not being up to standard :wink:

Edit: a simple test is to take some pics with the 70-200 without the filter!
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:52 pm

Wish i knew but it is.. heres samples.. 100% crop

I set the camera on the tripod, manual settings.. its shooting at f11.. camera was focused on the crack, then set the lens to manual focus so it wouldnt change.. took a shot then fitted the CPL.. and took another shot

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Original... Focused and without CPL
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With CPL and Previous Images focusing
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:54 pm

 BTW... its a Fotar CPL

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Postby big pix on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:56 pm

this might sound stupid but do you know that you loose 1 1/2 to 2 stops of speed using a polorizer which means if shooting at a 200th without the filter then you will be shooting at 50th with the filter using the same f stop.......
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Postby birddog114 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:58 pm

big pix wrote:this might sound stupid but do you know that you loose 1 1/2 to 2 stops of speed using a polorizer which means if shooting at a 200th without the filter then you will be shooting at 50th with the filter using the same f stop.......


Tim,
Does this post from big pix make sense?
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Postby sirhc55 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:59 pm

Tim was using a tripod so it should be OK even if the speed drops 8)
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Postby Michael on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:03 pm

Tim, I think your prognosis is on the money and since you are no stranger to cameras I think you should go with your gut instinct.

and find another CPL.
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:04 pm

The only difference between the 2 images is that one was fitted with the CPL.. all the settings were the same... the CPL is causing the lens to give soft focusing... and yes... the camera was fitted on a tripod.. so slower shutter speed shouldnt effect the image as much as it did with the images i posted.... i guess i got a faulty CPL.. not a faulty lens

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Postby stubbsy on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:07 pm

Is it definitely a CIRCULAR polariser. If it's a linear polariser that can stuff up a digital camera's auto focus and metering. If it weren't for the fact you did this manual it would be my first guess. Just posting on the off chance :wink:
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:10 pm

Unless they stuffed up with the stamping on the side.. id say yes is deffinantly a CPL.. it has on the side

"FOTAR 77mm C-P.L Japan"

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Postby stubbsy on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:13 pm

Well it WAS a long shot. I'm guessing you've checked the filter is clean and not smeared with vaseline :wink:

And now I'm out of useless ideas. Sorry couldn't help Tim.
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:35 pm

Yerh its clean... i try and keep my camera gear spotless... like my fishing gear... .. easier fix i think if its just the CPL and not the lens...

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Postby birddog114 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:51 pm

Zeeke wrote:Yerh its clean... i try and keep my camera gear spotless... like my fishing gear... .. easier fix i think if its just the CPL and not the lens...

Tim


Maybe Sigma doesn't like FOTAR C-P.L Japan and Nikkor does 8) :roll: :shock:
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:03 pm

maybe Nikkor doesnt either.... because as i said in my first post, the first time i used Oneputts 80-400 i took a few photos and the images came out blurry, i think there is something wrong with the filter and not the lenses...

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Postby birddog114 on Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:17 pm

Zeeke wrote:maybe Nikkor doesnt either.... because as i said in my first post, the first time i used Oneputts 80-400 i took a few photos and the images came out blurry, i think there is something wrong with the filter and not the lenses...

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Why should Oneputt left the CPL on his 80-400 for? A trick for you to find?
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:49 pm

I used my 77mm CPL on Oneputt's 80-400 and it caused the same blurry images as it did on my 70-200...

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Postby big pix on Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:56 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
big pix wrote:this might sound stupid but do you know that you loose 1 1/2 to 2 stops of speed using a polorizer which means if shooting at a 200th without the filter then you will be shooting at 50th with the filter using the same f stop.......


Tim,
Does this post from big pix make sense?


The basic understanding of exposure and f stop using speed, f stop and iso...........
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Postby mudder on Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:21 pm

If both those shots are using the same focus and the increased exposure time hasn't contributed to the blurring (I assume not as it's of a static object) then the CPL does look dodgy... Especially if it's occured on more than one lens...
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Postby Zeeke on Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:04 pm

I'm leaning on the polariser being dodgy... when i can ill try another polariser on it to double check its not a once off..

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Postby Dug on Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:50 pm

Tim! Didn't I tell you it was our special "Soft Focus" CPL filter!


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