d2x and 10.5mm

[byrt_001]

hi everyone

has anyone of you has the two? any comments? im thinking very siriously about the two. is the 10.5 sharp?

thanks

christian

[Alpha_7]

Kevin (Mitedo) has this combination, and stubbsy (amongst others has the fish eye (but a D70). If you use the search function you should find plenty of example shots.

[stubbsy]

Christian.

I have it and it's sweet. See this post for some indoor shots with it on a D70 and the last two images here (also on a D70) and the first three images here (on a D2X) for some outdoor shots.

For some of my shots I've used DxO optics Pro to partially defish the image

[byrt_001]

hi

thanks, much appreciated.

woooww

this lens is great!! i thought my 20 was good but this one woooowww

i think i want one.

thanks for sharing

wwooooowwww

[stubbsy]

hi

thanks, much appreciated.

woooww

this lens is great!! i thought my 20 was good but this one woooowww

i think i want one.

thanks for sharing

wwooooowwww

Christian

One more thing. Why the D2X rather than the D200?

[byrt_001]

oops, sorry about that, the long wait. the posts moved very fast in here

stubbsy: well the auto focus, weather resistance, the 12mp, and i think it must feel the same as the f5, as well no nonsense about the banding(lines).

sorry for the delay..

christian

[stubbsy]

Christian

If you need any more reason to get the 10.5 - check the last image in this post

[byrt_001]

hi

lol...wooooowwwwww amazing

but now that there are rumours that the d2xs will be comming out.....maybe i should wait and save a bit more for something else? maybe for a 17-35mm f2.8 i have the 18-35mm bt it is not the same. the other day i was on the beach (windy day) and i can already feel a bit of sand in it. but i will see how much i have in cash in two months as well how much i will able to put in my card.

but definetly a 10.5 is in my shopping bag.

take care

christian

[gstark]

Christian,

A couple of observations if I may ...

stubbsy: well the auto focus, weather resistance, the 12mp, and i think it must feel the same as the f5, as well no nonsense about the banding(lines).

The focusing speed on the D200 is most impressive. If you've not had a play with one, you need to do so before you make a decision.

The weather resistance on the D200 and the D2X is of a similar quality.

The difference between 10MP and 12MP isn't worth sneezing on. From a practical point of view, you would be hard pressed to notice any shortcomings, and the real issue there comes back to your own skills as a photographer.

Yes, the D2X will feel similar to an F5. I see the larger size and greater weight as a disadvantage though: I prefer to travel light.

The banding only occurs under certain, mostly contrived, situations, but yes, it might be an issue.

None of the issues that you've raised I would see as being reasons to choose the D2X over the D200, but I do know of several good reasons for making that decision.

So if you've not yetr had a play with one, go forth and do so, my good man.

And yes, the 10.5 is a very nice piece of glass.

[gstark]

but now that there are rumours that the d2xs will be

Why not just wait for the D3H?

[NikonUser]

Or The D80?

[byrt_001]

gstark: may i ask what resonds do you have to choose the d2x from the d200? thanks for your comments, much appreciated. just remember i have only seen photos of the two cameras. i still have not touch or play with any of the two. so probably i will just buy one just from the i think and what you guys tell me and make a list of pros and consand will make a dissision. im way too far to go to a pro shop to test the two.

i will concentrate in portraits and landscapes for that resond i want more pixel.

thanks againg.

christian

[NikonUser]

Apparently the D200 has image quality VERY close to the D2X... The differences between the two cameras are more in their operation and functions than the image quality (as far as I've read anyway).

If you do mainly Landscapes and Portraits I'd be going for the D200.

Paul

[gstark]

Christian,

gstark: may i ask what resonds do you have to choose the d2x from the d200?

I was wondering if you'd notice that I'd not mentioned those points.

Please bear in mind that these are points that I'd be thinking about, and that I might be inclined to give more weight to than some of the earlier issues that have been raised.

For instance, I'd be looking at the reduced crop mode that the D2X provides. This still provides a 6MP image wlong with a 2x crop factor and faster shooting speed. For some of the shooting that I do, that could be an important issue.

A side benefit of this is that you also gain a form of sports finder when you're using the camera in this mode. The view of the subject is .... what? 133%? I don't know the exact number, but that's not really important.

What is important though is the fact that you can see moving subjects both within and without the image capture area, and that could be helpful in many action situations.

The CCD that the D2X uses is, quite simply, sweet. In the shots I've seen, and the limited testing I've done, it's displayed an ability to handle an incredible range of contrasts across an image. Where most DSLRs seem to handle images similarly to perhaps colour reversal films, the D2X seems to go well beyond those boundaries, perhaps even surpassing many CN films.

I've not yet seen enough work from the D200 to see how it stacks up in that realm, but that may be a very significant issue to be considered.

Having said all of that, one then needs to consider the cost benefit of the various pros and cons of each camera, and then make a value judgement as to which camera they will be buying.

And of course, a major part of that also is how the thing feels in your hand.

For me, as much as I love the D2X, I don't see it as being a viable value purchase, for me, when compared with the D200.

And remember, that's just my opinion: both are great cameras, but I'm the guy you blame for the shit that some people mistake for images.

i still have not touch or play with any of the two.

That is something your eally do need to address. Based upon the paper specs, I was singularly unimpressed with the concept of the D200. Seriously.

On paper it seemed to have some rather nice features, but as a D70 user, I really couldn't see why I might want to own one.

Then I had a chance to play with one, and to say I was impressed really doesn't do the camera justice.

But of course Leigh, my son, really felt very strongly about this, and insisted to me there was no reason why I needed to, or should, consider a D200.

Until he too had a play with one, and we're both wanting to upgrade now. Go figure.

im way too far to go to a pro shop to test the two.

Perhaps, but perhaps we have other members in close proximity to you who may be able to help in some way.

i will concentrate in portraits and landscapes for that resond i want more pixel.

What you're shooting is basically irrelevantas regards pixel count. What's more important is the maximum enlargement you're expecting to produce, and any constraints that your target market might impose upon you. For instance, some publishing houses won't accept images smaller than 12MP.

If that's an issue that you face, then you need to look at the D2X.

But if that's not an issue for you, then know that we regularly print images using our Epson R1800 to A3+ size from a 6MP D70, and we're very satisfied with the quality that we see. we also have another member using a D2H - yep, all 4MP of it - for all of his commercial work.

The point is that your outcomes are what need to be considered here, and it's only going to be at extremely high degrees of enlargement that you can expect to see any differences that the pixel count might make.

So don't become overawed by the numbers - they're more of a marketing bullshit thing, and the reality is that you won't be likely to see any practical difference between the results from either of these cameras.

[byrt_001]

hi

thanks for the replies,

the pros and cons...makes you think a lot.

i will make a disission in a month... will keep you posted.

thanks againg

christian

[Steffen]

But if that's not an issue for you, then know that we regularly print images using our Epson R1800 to A3+ size from a 6MP D70, and we're very satisfied with the quality that we see. we also have another member using a D2H - yep, all 4MP of it - for all of his commercial work.

Interesting, this ("Are 4MP enough to print A3") is the very question I've been pondering recenty, mainly because I'm trying to decide between an R800 and R1800. As we all know, full-size D2H images print at 200dpi on A4 and at 140dpi on A3.

Last night I printed a few crops on my A4 printer at 140dpi, and I must admit that I don't see much of a difference between 200 and 140dpi at viewing distances of 20cm or more. Sure, there is an obvious difference under the loupe, but if I'd print A3 I'd do so for hanging pictures. Plus, the ability to print two A4 size images on one sheet could make printing a bit more economical.

For me the 4MP D2H sensor absolutely warrants an A3 printer, which is bad news, given that the R1800 costs almost twice as much as the R800...

Cheers
Steffen.

[Gordon]

Hopefully I'll have a D200 in my hands within a few days, and I have the 10.5mm fisheye, so I can post some results... they should be handy for a quick trip to Central Oz in a couple of weeks

Gordon

[gstark]

Sure, there is an obvious difference under the loupe, but if I'd print A3 I'd do so for hanging pictures.

And that is the point. How often does one go about examining their prints under a loupe, and if so, why?

For general use, this is going to be fine.

And as a general recommendation, the R1800 is tops. Engine is the same as the R800 of course, so your decision becomes one of what size prints do you want to produce.

[Simon]

If you want to see a master (I consider him one) using this combo see: http://www.digitalfrog.nl/

His name is Ralph Lemarechal, a club shooter from Holland.

This is a very tempting lens

[digitalfrog]

Wow, Simon..... many thanks for the compliments

I indeed love the 10.5, a bit tooooo much maybe. It takes a bit of time to get used to it, but helped me develop my own style and differenciate myself from other party photography.


Ralph

[Alpha_7]

Welcome to the forums Ralph, we have a few existing members that enjoy the 10.5 FE however I'd have to say most shoot in fairly different conditions to the ones you do.

[padey]

Unless you have a real need for faster AF and bigger files, then D200 is fine. Having owned both, I didn't see the difference between the two for what I shoot. Also, i have never experianced any banding issues.

I gues sit depends on what you shoot. If you spend all day shooting birds in the rainforest, then D2x would be better.

As far as the fisheye 10.5mm goes, it's a fantastic lens. It suffers a little CA wide open, but I love it.

http://www.catoandpade.com.au/gallery/W ... C/DSCF2352

[byrt_001]

hi padey

some excellent wedding photography,

hi Ralph

i really like you style also, the mixing of flash and stage lights is great. your slow flash technik is great.

christian