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Postby padey on Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:32 pm

Geoff wrote:Good luck with the sales Andrew - hope you get top dollar.

When will you purchase your Canon gear?


Sunday. A mate is in HK, so i'll get him to get me a stack of glass. 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2, and 24mm 1.4. I'll buy the bodies here.

I'll get the rest once i sell some of my gear.
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Postby sirhc55 on Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:43 pm

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sirhc55 wrote:Andrew - your listing of the S5 shows it with the MB-D200 attached. You have listed the MB-D200 as a separate item - do you have two? If not, I would edit the post to show that the S5 does not come with the MB-D200 :wink:


i have 2.


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Postby mR_CaESaR on Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:34 pm

padey wrote:Sunday. A mate is in HK, so i'll get him to get me a stack of glass. 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2, and 24mm 1.4. I'll buy the bodies here.


Photocontinental currently have the 5D for 3190.

I soooo wish it was that price when i purchased my 5D not long ago. At least its an Australian body.
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Postby padey on Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:41 pm

mR_CaESaR wrote:
padey wrote:Sunday. A mate is in HK, so i'll get him to get me a stack of glass. 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2, and 24mm 1.4. I'll buy the bodies here.


Photocontinental currently have the 5D for 3190.

I soooo wish it was that price when i purchased my 5D not long ago. At least its an Australian body.


Actually i've been entertaining the idea of getting a 1D mark III. ISO6400 and 14bit RAW files have really got me thinking......
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Postby mR_CaESaR on Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:03 pm

padey wrote:
mR_CaESaR wrote:
padey wrote:Sunday. A mate is in HK, so i'll get him to get me a stack of glass. 50mm 1.2, 85mm 1.2, and 24mm 1.4. I'll buy the bodies here.


Photocontinental currently have the 5D for 3190.

I soooo wish it was that price when i purchased my 5D not long ago. At least its an Australian body.


Actually i've been entertaining the idea of getting a 1D mark III. ISO6400 and 14bit RAW files have really got me thinking......


yeah but 2 mark3's? ouch... ;)

The 5D is no slouch in high iso :)

I think for wedding photographery, one 5D should be atleast in the bag :)
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Postby Kyle on Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:03 pm

Do it andrew :D
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Postby PiroStitch on Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:30 pm

great stuff and you won't regret the move...except for maybe the plasticky feel and ergonomically incorrect camera :S yes i'm a canon user and i'm still complaining :P
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Postby Alpha_7 on Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:41 pm

Some tempting glass on there,and I managed to snag a decent deal on one of Gavin's (or was it yours?) SATA2 HDs. So thank you kindly for the link!
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:49 pm

Well i have decided that i am gone as well..........grappled with this for ages....i will have top quality Nikon glass for sale as well soon.....anyone interested let me know via PM....tough but i have to do it :(
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Postby stubbsy on Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:54 pm

At the end of the day it's personal choice I guess, but it eternally puzzles me why many people would switch from any camera system they have a fair investment in (Canon or Nikon etc etc) when the cost to switch must be high (eg there'd be a loss on the original purchase price of the lens and other gear). In some specific circumstances I get it (eg two business partners having the same interchangeable gear or a low light band photographer moving to Canon), but in many cases I wonder if it's a bit of the grass is greener syndrome.
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Postby big pix on Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:37 pm

Cre8tivepixels wrote:Well i have decided that i am gone as well..........grappled with this for ages....i will have top quality Nikon glass for sale as well soon.....anyone interested let me know via PM....tough but i have to do it :(


....... but what have you got in the way of glass ?.....
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:56 pm

big pix wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:Well i have decided that i am gone as well..........grappled with this for ages....i will have top quality Nikon glass for sale as well soon.....anyone interested let me know via PM....tough but i have to do it :(


....... but what have you got in the way of glass ?.....


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Postby wendellt on Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:01 pm

i just handled a Mark III i'd jump ship if i had the money
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:03 pm

wendellt wrote:i just handled a Mark III i'd jump ship if i had the money


WOW that suprises me
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Postby sirhc55 on Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:12 pm

wendellt wrote:i just handled a Mark III i'd jump ship if i had the money


Are you saying that with all of the fantastic pics you have taken that you are not rolling in dosh 8) :D :D
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Postby wendellt on Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:17 pm

you would be surprised how little money i make
apart from my fred bare account
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Postby padey on Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:42 pm

My 16-35, 50 f1.2 and 85 f1.2 should arrive on monday. 1D mark 3 should arrive on wednesday.

It's like christmas in August.
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Postby big pix on Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:44 pm

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Postby Heath Bennett on Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:07 pm

wendellt wrote:you would be surprised how little money i make
apart from my fred bare account


All your effort will break you into the dosh eventually I assure you.
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Postby michael_ on Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:18 pm

padey wrote:My 16-35, 50 f1.2 and 85 f1.2 should arrive on monday. 1D mark 3 should arrive on wednesday.

It's like christmas in August.


where did you get your MIII from? you will love it i love mine
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm

big pix wrote::roll:


You seem to have a big chip on ur shoulder?

Nikon is D E A D for higher end users and i take NO pleasure in saying that as i just calculated that i have conservatively $8,000 worth of gear and i am going to have to spend around 10,000 to make up what i want......that hurts

NOW what body should i get everyone or should i wait for the expected announcement from Canon soon?


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Postby big pix on Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:30 pm

Cre8tivepixels wrote:
big pix wrote::roll:


You seem to have a big chip on ur shoulder?

Nikon is D E A D for higher end users and i take NO pleasure in saying that as i just calculated that i have conservatively $8,000 worth of gear and i am going to have to spend around 10,000 to make up what i want......that hurts

NOW what body should i get everyone or should i wait for the expected announcement from Canon soon?


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Postby padey on Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:25 am

Cre8tivepixels wrote:
NOW what body should i get everyone or should i wait for the expected announcement from Canon soon?


Dan


The best working fashion/portrait guys i've seen use MF. It may not be within your budget now, but i bet in a few years, once the dollars roll in you'll be using some form of MF gear.

But in the mean time, i'm not sure. It's a question i asked myself too. I was going to buy a couple of 5Ds. For what I do, it would be more then capable. But the 1D mark III is really another generation. Little things like been able to write to 2 memory cards at the same time. It's one thing i've dreaded is a memory card failure at a wedding. 14bit files; it's something i've become use to on the fuji, but the extra bit depth gives a '3D like look' to prints.

At the end of the day, for you it's a business decision, so get the best tool to deliver the best results, and that should turn into $$$.
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Postby wendellt on Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:53 am

gosh i'd if i were dreamign id go for a Hasselblad HD1

but the canon markIII would suffice nicely full frame great high iso handling
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Postby Heath Bennett on Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:17 am

If we are talking dreams why not the H3D-39?
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Postby radar on Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:43 am

wendellt wrote:but the canon markIII would suffice nicely full frame great high iso handling


Note thte the MarkIII is not full frame, it has a 1.3 crop factor.

Canon wrote:Entirely new 10.1 Megapixel Canon CMOS Sensor (APS-H size, 1.3x lens conversion factor), featuring the EOS Integrated Cleaning System


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Postby padey on Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:54 am

Heath Bennett wrote:If we are talking dreams why not the H3D-39?


I'd rather a P45+. Although i'm not sure i could live with the 44mb raw files with my current memory capacities.
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Postby Heath Bennett on Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:02 am

Phase one P45+ because of Hassleblad's irritating standpoint on 3rd party components?
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Postby Killakoala on Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:05 am

Good luck with your purchases Andrew.
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:20 am

padey wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:
NOW what body should i get everyone or should i wait for the expected announcement from Canon soon?


Dan


The best working fashion/portrait guys i've seen use MF. It may not be within your budget now, but i bet in a few years, once the dollars roll in you'll be using some form of MF gear.

But in the mean time, i'm not sure. It's a question i asked myself too. I was going to buy a couple of 5Ds. For what I do, it would be more then capable. But the 1D mark III is really another generation. Little things like been able to write to 2 memory cards at the same time. It's one thing i've dreaded is a memory card failure at a wedding. 14bit files; it's something i've become use to on the fuji, but the extra bit depth gives a '3D like look' to prints.

At the end of the day, for you it's a business decision, so get the best tool to deliver the best results, and that should turn into $$$.



Thanks mate appreciate the words of advice :)

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Postby wendellt on Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:15 pm

Heath Bennett wrote:If we are talking dreams why not the H3D-39?


i'm just not that dreamy

a HD1 would do me fine

or any Phase One
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Postby stubbsy on Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:14 pm

Cre8tivepixels wrote:
big pix wrote::roll:


You seem to have a big chip on ur shoulder?

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Comments like that are both unwarranted and unwelcome here. I see nothing in EITHER of the comments by Big Pix here that justifies your response.
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Postby Matt. K on Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:07 pm

Ahhhhh! If only I had a better camera! Then my pictures would be better. And if only I had better pots and pans....then my cooking would be better....and if only I had a better fountain pen, then my articles would be much better. (Ancient lament that goes all the way back to the Greek tragedies). :D :D :D
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Postby Cre8tivepixels on Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:19 pm

stubbsy wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:
big pix wrote::roll:


You seem to have a big chip on ur shoulder?

Dan

Comments like that are both unwarranted and unwelcome here. I see nothing in EITHER of the comments by Big Pix here that justifies your response.


It was NOT an attack and i am sorry if you found it to be, just why the eye roll when Andrew was excited about what he had brought?

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Postby gstark on Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:43 pm

Cre8tivepixels wrote:
stubbsy wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:
big pix wrote::roll:


You seem to have a big chip on ur shoulder?

Dan

Comments like that are both unwarranted and unwelcome here. I see nothing in EITHER of the comments by Big Pix here that justifies your response.


It was NOT an attack and i am sorry if you found it to be, just why the eye roll when Andrew was excited about what he had brought?

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Postby Oz_Beachside on Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:58 pm

Matt. K wrote:Ahhhhh! If only I had a better camera! Then my pictures would be better. And if only I had better pots and pans....then my cooking would be better....and if only I had a better fountain pen, then my articles would be much better. (Ancient lament that goes all the way back to the Greek tragedies). :D :D :D


nice work, entertianing, I like it! :D

one thing that always keeps my gear spend at bay, is watching results some marvelous photographers get using a "piece of s$%t" camera, and getting a breathtaking image.

Matt, thanks for the laugh on the pots and pans analogy! :lol:
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Postby Greg B on Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:16 pm

It is strange how easy it is to convince yourself that some desirable bit of equipment is the key
to realising your creative vision!! I have done it several times, resulting in some very nice
equipment, but not necessarily translating into superior photos!

However, it isn't likely to stop me from wanting more stuff!
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Postby padey on Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:08 am

Matt. K wrote:Ahhhhh! If only I had a better camera! Then my pictures would be better. And if only I had better pots and pans....then my cooking would be better....and if only I had a better fountain pen, then my articles would be much better. (Ancient lament that goes all the way back to the Greek tragedies). :D :D :D


[/sarcasm]

Do you really believe that?

If i shot these with a D100 and a 70-300mm would these images been better?

S5, 200mm @ f2
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Postby Steffen on Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:32 am

padey wrote:Do you really believe that?


Yes, I think Matt may be onto something there. I'm going to get one of those new Apple keyboards. Watch the quality of my posts improving dramatically!

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Postby Grev on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:38 am

Gear takes your picture quality up to a certain extent, then I guess it's all about you.

Padey, your first shallow DOF image is very nice indeed.
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Postby radar on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:52 am

Andrew,

those are beautiful photos. I suspect you would have come up with a way to do the same composition and the same effect with a D100 as well, probably would have been harder but you would have figured it out.

For you, it certainly will make things easier moving to Canon, with your partner using Canon as well. Those extra frames per second, better low light, etc will make your job easier and that equates to $$ in your pocket. From the art side of things, you will continue to perform regardless if Fuji/Nikon/Canon/etc.

In the end, if you are happy with your decision, that's all that counts :D

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Postby padey on Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:24 pm

Move almost complete...

5D 50mm @ f1.2
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Postby michael_ on Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:41 pm

you dont muck around do you andrew, so you went for the 5D over the MarkIII?
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Postby chrisk on Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:57 pm

padey wrote:
Matt. K wrote:Ahhhhh! If only I had a better camera! Then my pictures would be better. And if only I had better pots and pans....then my cooking would be better....and if only I had a better fountain pen, then my articles would be much better. (Ancient lament that goes all the way back to the Greek tragedies). :D :D :D


[/sarcasm]



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that is quite possibly one of the best wedding photos i have ever seen. all the joy and romance the event is all about and a feeling that they are the only 2 people in the world that mater. absolutely stunning.
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Postby chrisk on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:12 pm

stubbsy wrote:but in many cases I wonder if it's a bit of the grass is greener syndrome.


couldn;t agree more.

i think the ease of selling equipment with ebay and the like is a big reason, its pretty easy to switch nowadays and good glass still gets good dollars. its also the fact that dslr is getting cheaper and cheaper so investing in new bodies and even lens' is becoming easier than it ever was.

think about how much more people discuss their gear now than they used to...there is an equal amount of time dedicated to technical analysis of gear, esepcially camera bodies, and how well a particualr company is doing as opposed to another that fuels so much debate. i could never understand people quoting great sales figures for company A as somehow a vindication of their decision to shoot with that companies gear. unless your a shareholder who gives a toss how much a company makes or who is a market leader ? i had a dicussion with a mate who was telling me that nikon dominated the dslr market in japan or korea or something recently...i was like "so ?"

it makes you wonder how much better people think things are on the other side, whatever that other side may be. did people 10 or 20 years ago need all the latest and greatest gear around to take great photos ? i think not. people take great pics but as soon as a new model comes out some seem to think that all of a sudden their cams are no good anymore...how does that work ? i guess pros want access to FF cams in some cases and not being a pro myself i cant speak for anyone that is a pro but i dunno mate...i think having the best new gear around and hype is as much of a factor of photography now as anything else.
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Postby padey on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:12 pm

Rooz wrote:that is quite possibly one of the best wedding photos i have ever seen. all the joy and romance the event is all about and a feeling that they are the only 2 people in the world that mater. absolutely stunning.


Thanks Rooz

michael_ wrote:you dont muck around do you andrew, so you went for the 5D over the MarkIII?


No, just borrowed it until the 1D arrives.
Andrew


Canon make photocopiers and stick lenses on them....
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Postby michael_ on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:18 pm

ahh cool, who did you end up getting the MarkIII from? just one? not going to wait for the 1DsMarkIII? ;)
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Postby Kyle on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:45 pm

Some lovely choices in gear right there Andrew :)

And those photos from the 200 are amazing, I wholeheartedly agree with Rooz
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Postby Matt. K on Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:57 pm

Steffen
I thought you were already using the new keyboard! :D :D :D
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Postby Oz_Beachside on Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:19 pm

your 200mm sold for a great price for you. wow, ebay is the way to sell, thats almost new price :roll:
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