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Real or fake missile?

Postby xorl on Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:24 pm

Take a look at this article.

To me, it feels like the attached image has been edited:

- The missile appears too sharp. Given the image DOF, and the speed it is travelling it I would expect it to be more blurred.
- The missile exhaust looks badly faked to me, it doesn't feel real.
- The smoke appears to be clearing more than I would expect so soon after firing.
- The perspective and alignment of the missile to the firing crew feels wrong.

The image is listed as a photo, not a photo illustration. If it has been composited, that would seem quite dodgy too me..

I know there are some people on this board that have more experience photographing missiles than I do.. :) What do you think?
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Postby xorl on Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:26 pm

Btw if anyone can see that I've got it wrong, then I would be interested in reading your opinions too :).
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Postby Laurie on Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:33 pm

if it was on reuters I would bet it would be fake.

I am not sure on this one though
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Postby xorl on Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:37 pm

Heh :). I understand that reuters does actually take image accuracy quite seriously now.

For anyone trying to find this article elsewhere, or in future, it is:
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Postby sirhc55 on Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:43 pm

Absolutely real - this is an advanced weapon that does not rely on operator assistance once it leaves the tube. This can make it appear to be fake.

Check out this to see how it performs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dezg8aflMmk
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Postby avkomp on Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:36 pm

you will find that this thing has a small charge that pops it out of the tube and it sort of hangs there for a while.
the main rocket motor fires and then it heads off to the target at a rate of knots.

this pic appears to have been taken after the missile left the tube and just as the main rocket motor is firing.

at this exact second it has just about zero forward motion (but that is about to change)

we arent talking seconds here. all over in 1/4 sec or so but enough time to get pix like this
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Postby PiroStitch on Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:43 pm

having the rocket sharp is a case of using a smaller aperture and using a fast shutter speed. it's in sunlight and using a higher iso would achieve this easily. Pretty much holding down on the shutter trigger and firing away...no pun intended
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Postby foonji on Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:02 pm

mmm javelin, thats certainly not fake :)

as others have said when its fired a charge throws it out of the tube before the rocket propulsion kicks in and heads to its target. so it has a lobbing effect when fired. and that initial period of throwing it aint that fast :)
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Postby Airmobile on Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:41 pm

if you go to the department of defence website and look at latest images you will find a series of photos from Exercise Chong Ju at Puckapunyal. These photos will show that it is real
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Postby Big V on Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:47 pm

100% real, seen a few of these launched at woomera and as the others have said they pop out of the tube before igniting the main motor..
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Postby Killakoala on Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:53 pm

My CIWS will shoot it down. :)
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Postby !~DeViNe~DaRkNeSs~! on Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:49 am

hehe me likes :D
least the aussies can defend themselves... the Kiwi army took the tanks out of commission because they were prone to rolling at full speed :? Scorpion tanks?

EDIT... OMG i just found this...kiwi's have em too :D
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Postby adamj123 on Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:35 pm

Yeah that's a real shot. seen one of them in action before
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Postby elffinarts on Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:35 pm

!~DeViNe~DaRkNeSs~! wrote:hehe me likes :D
least the aussies can defend themselves... the Kiwi army took the tanks out of commission because they were prone to rolling at full speed :? Scorpion tanks?

EDIT... OMG i just found this...kiwi's have em too :D
http://www.defence.govt.nz/acquisitions-tenders/current-acquisition-projects/medium-range.html


Wasn't the Scorpion tank a Vietnam era vehicle? Or am I just getting confused with the Centurion?
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Postby foonji on Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:51 am

yeh, scorpion and centurion are both nam era tanks :)
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