All D3 Rumours in one place

[MCWB]

Much appreciated Gary!

[chrisk]

I over heard a sales rep saying the D3 is 11fps in dx mode, which i gather is about 5-6mp and 9fps in CL mode. Is CL mode 12bit RAW file?

5x4 - ready-to-wear 10x8s , 10 MP.

can the d300 do this ? that really appeals to me.

[chrisk]

My impression of ”people” is that no matter what xyz manufacturer does in new models there will be an exponential amount of ”whinging”.

agreed. that goes for pixel peepers aswell who wanna blow everything up at 300% crops to compare IQ. they;re the type of people who if they won $1000, they'd complain if you gave it to them in hundred dollar notes.

[ATJ]

I over heard a sales rep saying the D3 is 11fps in dx mode, which i gather is about 5-6mp and 9fps in CL mode. Is CL mode 12bit RAW file?

5x4 - ready-to-wear 10x8s , 10 MP.

can the d300 do this ? that really appeals to me.

I doubt it. The D300 is DX only. The 5x4 crop is physically larger than this although fewer pixels.

D3:
FX format: 36 x 23.9mm
4,256 x 2,832 [L],
3,184 x 2,120 [M],
2,128 x 1,416 [S];
5:4 (30 x 24): 30 x 23.9mm
3,552 x 2,832[L],
2,656 x 2,120 [M],
1,776 x 1,416 [S];
DX format: 24 x 16mm
2,784 x 1,848 [L],
2,080 x 1,384 [M],
1,392 x 920 [S]

D300:
DX format: 23.6 x 15.8 mm
4,288 x 2,848 [L],
3,216 x 2,136 [M],
2,144 x 1,424 [S]

[gstark]

I over heard a sales rep saying the D3 is 11fps in dx mode, which i gather is about 5-6mp and 9fps in CL mode. Is CL mode 12bit RAW file?

5x4 - ready-to-wear 10x8s , 10 MP.

can the d300 do this ? that really appeals to me.

The D300 has no crop modes, so no.

Just shoot with 5x4 cropping in mind, and you'll be there.

[padey]

Thanks guys. Who would have thought sales guys have nfi.

[kipper]

My impression of ”people” is that no matter what xyz manufacturer does in new models there will be an exponential amount of ”whinging”.

The people that complain about the lack of features on a camera are those that should go back to school and start over.

A camera is but a tool - in the hands of a fool it’s still a tool - in the hands of a photographer it’s an extension of the soul.

Very wise words. Reminds me of the saying that I was always told by my father "A good tradesman never blames his tools".

[Heath Bennett]

While I applaud Nikon's engineering driven approach in implementing new technologies, there's certainly plenty of newly introduced tech in these 3 series cameras to make me somewhat nervous for the first batch of buyers acting as beta testers. As these light boxes gets more complex, the chain of weakest link gets exponentially longer.

It is a shame that this kind of thing has happened. Watching Top Gear the other day they explained that Japanese cars pushed the whole world forward in terms of cars that break down less. Everyone else had thought something so complex like a car was bound to always break down. Honda's VTEC system is a case-in-point - not one of the millions worldwide has ever broken.

Maybe things are so cut throat they don' do enough beta testing.

[Cre8tivepixels]

Anyone seen any images yet? from either cam? I thought togs are shooting with them for some athletics games in Japan?

Dying to see some examples

dan

[Alpha_7]

Dan I haven't seen any images yet, I'd even have settles for some photos of their High ISO prints at the press conference but they haven't surfaced either.

[anubis]

Guys images from the Nikon presentation on the D3....

Note pretty grainy but at least gives u an impression of high iso shots

http://e-photographia.smugmug.com/gallery/3354617#187077454

[padey]

Guys images from the Nikon presentation on the D3....

Note pretty grainy but at least gives u an impression of high iso shots

http://e-photographia.smugmug.com/gallery/3354617#187077454

Hmm do you think the marketing department took those 'world first' iso 6400 images, as there is some poor photographic skills on show!

I've never in my time of owning nikon cameras had the WB change so significantly by moving the ISO up. And surprise, surprise, the 'other manufactures model' exposure is off compared to the D3 ISO 6400.

The real test for nikon high iso will be in the detail it maintains, not the luminance chroma noise. Traditionally nikon high iso has come at the expense of image detail.

[chrisk]

I've never in my time of owning nikon cameras had the WB change so significantly by moving the ISO up. And surprise, surprise, the 'other manufactures model' exposure is off compared to the D3 ISO 6400.

it looks more like they used the in-cam D-lighting for that shot.

[PiroStitch]

looks like a video still or p&s shot of a slideshow :S Where are the real sample images?

[Nnnnsic]

I'm going to try to get to the launch in Sydney this week. I'll make sure to bring my trust CF card.

[chrisk]

d300 iso6400 shot. can anyone read chinese (??)

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=n ... c&no=20929

[Heath Bennett]

Here is a question for you all...

Would you prefer a D2x + D3
or
D3 + D300

D2x...
D2 and D3 body system the same-ish
D2 and D3 body battery system the same
better battery life
make in Japan construction
longer shutter life?...
both full "pro" bodies

D300...
8fps full DX
awesome 3inch screen
share stuff like WT-4 and image settings
newer tech
high ISO improvement?...
becomes less instrusive without battery pack

Feel free to add any positives or negatives to either group.

This is assuming that the D2x is still worth $2.5k second hand, so both options are similarly priced.

[Grev]

d300 iso6400 shot. can anyone read chinese (??)
I can read Chinese but that is actually Korean. It looks miles apart from what Nikon has now though.

I was talking to the guys at EC at Drummoyne and they have been playing with prototypes today and they reckon there is NO disconcernable noise up to 1600 ISO and the 6400 you have to zoom into 300% to see grain and its NOT like the old Xmas tree lights but a more film like grain.....he also said that he would go for the D300 over the D3 in terms of price per what you get and the fact that the D300 has a larger sensor....expect November shipments.....and i am going in on Monday to leave my money on the counter..........WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

Someone has gone crazy.

[Cre8tivepixels]

d300 iso6400 shot. can anyone read chinese (??)
I can read Chinese but that is actually Korean. It looks miles apart from what Nikon has now though.

I was talking to the guys at EC at Drummoyne and they have been playing with prototypes today and they reckon there is NO disconcernable noise up to 1600 ISO and the 6400 you have to zoom into 300% to see grain and its NOT like the old Xmas tree lights but a more film like grain.....he also said that he would go for the D300 over the D3 in terms of price per what you get and the fact that the D300 has a larger sensor....expect November shipments.....and i am going in on Monday to leave my money on the counter..........WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO

Someone has gone crazy.

Well it is a more film like noise as i did say? Certainly NOT the old Xmas lights is it now?

Here is the image after a run thru my presets with noiseware....i am still jumping up and down lol

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/124 ... 636f_o.jpg

Dan

Nnnnsic's edit: Don't make me do this again.

[sirhc55]

Dan - It would be in your best interests to make a link to your reworked image rather than posting it here - copyright does not belong to you for posting

[PiroStitch]

The noise does look a lot less than on the current gen. of Nikon DSLRs which will be a bonus.

[Cre8tivepixels]

Dan - It would be in your best interests to make a link to your reworked image rather than posting it here - copyright does not belong to you for posting

Sorry i didnt know that..........

[gstark]

Dan - It would be in your best interests to make a link to your reworked image rather than posting it here - copyright does not belong to you for posting

Sorry i didnt know that..........

Dan,

It's right here in the FAQ.

Please don't tell me this when it's in plain sight, for all to see.

[padey]

Here is a question for you all...

Would you prefer a D2x + D3
or
D3 + D300

I'd have to get some more info about what you plan to shoot with them;
Expected shooting conditions? high iso? outside -rain/weather proof...
How long are your shoots? - battery life...
Do you shoot with two bodies or 1 main and 1 as a backup?
Do you need the extra reach of a 1.5x crop?
Is FPS very important to you?
Is resolution more important to you?

One thing that wouldn't be important to me is the screen on the back of the camera. D2x or D3 screen wouldn't swing my choice.


If it was me i'd get a D3+D3 because I shoot with two bodies at the same time.

[Heath Bennett]

I think for weddings D3 plus D3 would be a great choice. Most of my work isn't that rushed (like weddings are) so I usually only use the D2x and have another body nearby for the unexpected... rather than around my neck.

FPS isn't that important to me, mainly just for fun. But then again it has helped a few times to get new clients or impress existing ones - has the wow factor. D2 body plus a 300 2.8 AFS at 8fps sounds and looks the business.

The base iso being 100 is also a useful thing about the D2x.

One main thing that I'll be hoping for is the dimensions to be as similar as possible as I have a D2 underwater housing - great if it fits the D3 too. This is the main reason I'll be holding onto the D2x for the time being. The height is the main change and the housing has excess height in order to fit in the WT-2 I have.

Battery life is important any way I look at it, and having two different battery systems is annoying.

[ATJ]

One main thing that I'll be hoping for is the dimensions to be as similar as possible as I have a D2 underwater housing - great if it fits the D3 too. This is the main reason I'll be holding onto the D2x for the time being. The height is the main change and the housing has excess height in order to fit in the WT-2 I have.

Unfortunately, Heath, I think you will be out of luck with the housing. The larger LCD screen is going to result in the movement of the buttons on either side and these are no longer going to line up with the buttons on the housing. The same thing will happen with the D200 to D300, which is why I've put my plans on hold for a D200 + housing and will wait for the D300 + housing.

http://www.nikon.com.au/products/895/7b ... 2XS_02.jpg
http://www.nikon.com.au/products/1188/8 ... back_s.jpg

[Jeko70]

omissis.....
Battery life is important any way I look at it, and having two different battery systems is annoying.

With the Multi Power Battery Pack MB-D10 you can use or EN-EL3e (D200) or EN-EL4a (D2H/X series) batteries.

It's a great choice for D3-D300 so you can get interchangeable bodies and batteries.

As i said before IMOH the D300 is a D2X in a D200 body.

[tasadam]

As i said before IMOH the D300 is a D2X in a D200 body.

Indeed. Even Nikon think so...
http://www.nikon.com.au/productitem.php ... 59711d5d33
Clicking on Related products, scroll down to the MC-35 GPS adapter cord -

GPS data (NMEA 0183) format can be inserted into D2X image files during capture. Connects most GPS RS232 serial output cables to the 10-pin port of...

Looking forward to seeing the D200 prices fall.

Nice too, to see they still have the 10 pin connector, so my remote will still work!

[ATJ]

As i said before IMOH the D300 is a D2X in a D200 body.

I guess that depends on your definition of a "D200 body".

http://www.nikon.com.au/products/1187/5 ... back_s.jpg
http://www.nikon.com.au/products/823/dd ... 200_16.jpg

Here is an overlay someone from wetpixel.com did:
http://wetpixel.com/forums/index.php?ac ... st&id=6417

[Nnnnsic]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

[Geoff]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Yep - ask them if they are anticipating the market better than they did for the D200 release and whether or not they will have bodies READILY available at the release date.

Enjoy it though Leigh, sounds like fun!

[Glen]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Do these cameras work? They have a bit of time before November to make them work, but it would be nice to see a high iso image from one. I remember you said your CF card will be with you, good luck.

[sirhc55]

You could ask them about the new model Sony seen at the launch in Tokyo - you must have seen it Leigh on Engadget

[Jeko70]

As i said before IMOH the D300 is a D2X in a D200 body.

I guess that depends on your definition of a "D200 body"....

As an ex user of D2H and actual D2X user...as definition of a D200 size
I've had a D200 as a second body but it wasn't enough "D2X like" so i sold it.

Nnnnsic wrote:

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Yes I do, May I test it for them?

[tasadam]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Free samples?

Actually, I will say that I am surprised by one of the specs on these cameras, having been sent a link from a friend and read

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III key features
21 megapixel Full-frame CMOS sensor (36 x 24 mm)

I thought there would have been more on offer from Nikon in the megapixel department. Not that it matters to me, I am happy with the D200, but for those that can use it, I just would have expected more, that's all.

[ATJ]

As i said before IMOH the D300 is a D2X in a D200 body.

I guess that depends on your definition of a "D200 body"....

As an ex user of D2H and actual D2X user...as definition of a D200 size
I've had a D200 as a second body but it wasn't enough "D2X like" so i sold it.

Ah, so "D200 Body" means NOT D2X or D2H. So I guess my D70 has a D200 body as it is not a D2H or D2X.

Yeah, OK, that makes sense.

[Jeko70]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Free samples?

Actually, I will say that I am surprised by one of the specs on these cameras, having been sent a link from a friend and read

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III key features
21 megapixel Full-frame CMOS sensor (36 x 24 mm)

I thought there would have been more on offer from Nikon in the megapixel department. Not that it matters to me, I am happy with the D200, but for those that can use it, I just would have expected more, that's all.

I think we have to wait the "H or X" factor to get more mp.
The first is sort of test, get credibility, make money, invest research and development....
Do you remember what Ducati did with SBK many years ago?
Have you seen where Ducati is now?
(10-15 years ago nobody was buying Ducati, nowadays is one of the most sold bike)

Buy the way
less mp=less noise and less diffraction.
Is a great start to entrust customer/photographers.

[chrisk]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

RE: D300...

will you be able to get any sample iso pics ? i find it a little unusual that they wouldnt have had a half dozen or so cams in use at the osaka games to "prove the hype".

why so slow for 14bit shots, (2.5fps) ? i think the 40d take 6.5fps for 14bit ?
is the iso displayed in the viewfinder ?
is iso 200 the default lowest position cos it has the best IQ ? ie: does LO1, (iso100), have more noise ?
why no VR on their 24-70 FF lens ?
are there any updated faster shorter focal length primes planned ?

[padey]

Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III key features
21 megapixel Full-frame CMOS sensor (36 x 24 mm)

I thought there would have been more on offer from Nikon in the megapixel department. Not that it matters to me, I am happy with the D200, but for those that can use it, I just would have expected more, that's all.

21mp is great, and I'm in the middle of selling my medium format gear so i can get a 1Ds3 as a second camera. But with current offerings, i was hoping for the 1Ds3 to reach ISO3200.

For a beast of a camera, I think this is the only weakness. So the grass isn't always greener on the canon side.

If Nikon come with a 18mp 3Dx that goes to iso3200, i'm sure it would rip into canon 1Ds3 sales. But ATM, 12mp fx isn't quite there. Also considering the 6D will probably push 14-16mp FF.

[Nnnnsic]

Trusting Canon's sensor "development", the 6D (or whatever it's called) will use the 16mp sensor of the Mk2. It won't be nearly as durable a body, though.

[Grev]

It would be a delight to see all the prices drop in the near future.

[rooboy]

Does anyone have any questions they want me to ask of Nikon when I see the two bodies this week?

Where are the AF-S primes?

[ATJ]

D3 ISO 3200 samples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=24564293

http://www.pbase.com/flashlight/image/84582762
http://www.pbase.com/flashlight/image/84582766

[Cre8tivepixels]

D3 ISO 3200 samples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=24564293

http://www.pbase.com/flashlight/image/84582762
http://www.pbase.com/flashlight/image/84582766

WOW

[gstark]

Wow ???

1/400s f/4.0 at 400.0mm

I'd like to see the low light capabilites tested a little more than this.

[ATJ]

http://www2.xitek.com/collection.php?ac ... agenumber=

[padey]

Wow ???

1/400s f/4.0 at 400.0mm

I'd like to see the low light capabilites tested a little more than this.

I agree. Lets see some 1/60th sec, f1.4/1.8 iso6400 shots.

Also, is anyone curious to see how the base iso shots look like?

Something challenging with a full range of DR required. Nikon obviously decided to lift the base to 200 to get high iso. I know with the canon, when you drop it down to 50iso, you lose a fair bit of DR, just wondering how nikon handled it.

[gstark]

Wow ???

1/400s f/4.0 at 400.0mm

I'd like to see the low light capabilites tested a little more than this.

I agree. Lets see some 1/60th sec, f1.4/1.8 iso6400 shots.

Also, is anyone curious to see how the base iso shots look like?

Andrew,

I'm expecting that the base ISO shots will look gorgeous, especially in the hands of, for instance, someone such as yourself or Matt K.

As we both know, the noise that we're used to seeing often manifests itself in darker (often underexposed) areas of images that are already being shot at the margins of what might be usable.

So low light, high iso with dark regions and something approaching a higher DR within the one image.

Let there be dark!

Something challenging with a full range of DR required.

I'd say a full range and then some. While I certainly don't advocate complaining when a shot that's been made in extreme conditions suffers because those conditions are beyond the scope and design parameters of the camera in question, that by no means says that we shouldn't test the camera in those out-of-scope conditions, in order that we can determine what the likely results will be, and thus gain a greater appreciation of all of the camera's capabilities, and especially so to determine where its usable limits, for your expected usage, may lie.

[ATJ]

If someone gets me a D3 and a D300, I'll do all the testing you want.

[Jeko70]

If someone gets me a D3 and a D300, I'll do all the testing you want.

Me too! We can work as a great team!