To Macro or to Tube (extension tube that is)

Newer members often state that they think their question is too basic, or stupid, or whatever, to be posted. Nothing could be further further from the truth in any section at DSLRUsers.com, but especially here. Don't feel intimidated. The only stupid question is the one that remains unasked. We were all beginners at one stage, and even the most experienced amongst us will admit to learning new stuff on a daily basis. Ask away! Please also refer to the forum rules and the portal page

Moderators: Greg B, Nnnnsic, Geoff, Glen, gstark, Moderators

Forum rules
Please ensure that you have a meaningful location included in your profile. Please refer to the FAQ for details of what "meaningful" is. Please also check the portal page for more information on this.

To Macro or to Tube (extension tube that is)

Postby makario on Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:49 pm

I have been trying to decide (swaying like a pendulum) between a macro lens (canon 100mm) or a set of extension tubes for awhile now and I am hoping to get some advide from the forum.

I have a 90-300 f4.5-5.6 and 17-85 f4-5.6 canon lens and would like to test the waters with Macro photography, hence leaning towards the 100mm canon lens, as it will also be useful for portrait photography. However I do like landscape photography and would like to take close-up photos of objects hence I was looking at extension tubes. These extension tubes would be useful in the future when I graduate to some serious 'L' glass.

Additionally I think the extension tube allows a larger working macro distance at the loss of a couple of stops

Please help me make an informed decission :?

Thanks
Mak
Canonian
"The Reward is in the doing of it..!!" - Worlds Fastest Indian (2005)
http://www.redbubble.com/people/makro
User avatar
makario
Member
 
Posts: 389
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:01 pm
Location: Keilor, Melbourne, VIC

Postby Bindii on Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:22 pm

I have the Canon 100mm lens.. and honestly its some of the best money that i ever spent... smashing lens.. so sharp and detail is superb.. I use it for both Macro and Potrait work and it performs well with both...

I would highly recommend it.. :)
The last thing I want to do is hurt you... but it's still on the list... ;)
User avatar
Bindii
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1895
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:28 pm
Location: Ormeau Hills Queensland

Postby losfp on Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:38 pm

Hahaha once you get more seriously into it, you will want BOTH!

The general consensus is that ext tubes work best with primes.. and I honestly wouldn't think you'd get great results with slow consumer zooms. In this case, I reckon go for the dedicated macro lens.
User avatar
losfp
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1572
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm
Location: Quakers Hill, Sydney

Postby ATJ on Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:16 am

Mak,

If you are not sure whether you will get into macro photography or not, it is an each way bet. An extension tube (or even a set) is usually cheaper than a new macro lens and so you can get into the realm of macro without much of an outlay. The quality of a tube on a zoom is not perfect, but it is generally no worse than from the lens itself and certainly good enough to see if you like macro.

A macro lens, while more expensive, is a good lens in itself even for non macro work. At 100mm, it would be pretty good for portraits.

My advice is to get the macro lens if you can justify the cost. If not, get yourself an extension tube and "test the waters".

My first dabble into macro was with an extension tube and I got some great shots before graduating to a 60mm macro lens.
User avatar
ATJ
Senior Member
 
Posts: 3982
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:44 am
Location: Blue Mountains, NSW

Postby makario on Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:42 am

Thanks for the great advice Bindii, losfp and ATJ.

ATJ as you say, I am testing the waters and would like to be sure before I shell out for a macro lens. Out of curiousity which set of extension tubes did you use? and how many? Thanks

Cheers
Mak
Canonian
"The Reward is in the doing of it..!!" - Worlds Fastest Indian (2005)
http://www.redbubble.com/people/makro
User avatar
makario
Member
 
Posts: 389
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:01 pm
Location: Keilor, Melbourne, VIC

Re: To Macro or to Tube (extension tube that is)

Postby losfp on Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:55 am

makario wrote:Additionally I think the extension tube allows a larger working macro distance at the loss of a couple of stops


Actually I believe the tubes give you LESS working space. They basically let you get closer than the normal minimum focusing distance for that lens.

Remember that not all lenses will work nicely with extension tubes, or may have less effect than others.

Also, double check that the tubes you get will work with EF-S lenses - I tried googling it this morning and got a couple of vague comments that some tubes may not work well with EF-S lenses.
User avatar
losfp
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1572
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm
Location: Quakers Hill, Sydney

Postby ATJ on Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:11 am

Mak,

I have PK13 (for Nikon) which is 27.5mm. I used it mainly on a Nikkor 35-70mm f/3.3-4.5. I got some great results back in the film days. I have been meaning to scan some of the photographs for my site so I'll do that and post links.

As Des says, an extension tube decreases the working distance (teleconverters increase it).
User avatar
ATJ
Senior Member
 
Posts: 3982
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:44 am
Location: Blue Mountains, NSW

Postby ATJ on Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:26 am

Unfortunately, these didn't scan as well as I would have hoped. The slides are very good but the scan does not do them justice at all.

http://andrewtrevor-jones.com/Grasshopp ... ook92.html
http://andrewtrevor-jones.com/S_picta_Glenbrook93.html
http://andrewtrevor-jones.com/D_subrufa ... ook93.html

I'll try to dig out some more that scan a bit better.
User avatar
ATJ
Senior Member
 
Posts: 3982
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:44 am
Location: Blue Mountains, NSW

Postby rflower on Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:46 am

I bought the Kenko set of tubes for around 150 from this forum (I bought Nikon, but they do have a Canon mount). I just looked in the bargain section, but cannot see them so cannot give the actual price. Ask Gary; they may still be obtainable through the forum. I have used the tubes with 18-135, 18-200 and 50 1.4 lenses, and never had any issues with any of them.

I have now got my eye on the 90mm Tamron macro from the bargains for around $400.

I would potentially be using them together.
Russell
Nikon D700 // 50 1.4 // 70-200 2.8 VRII // 24-120 f4// Tamron 90 // SB-800 // 70-300G
I'm on Redbubble too ... http://www.redbubble.com/people/rflower
If you can make one of my photos look better and you have the inclination ... please do so.
User avatar
rflower
Member
 
Posts: 441
Joined: Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:01 am
Location: Hoppers Crossing, Melbourne

Postby wazonthehill2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:17 pm

I have both.
I started with the 17-85 efs lens. A nice lens, and ok, Will do some average close work, and not hat close.
I got extension tubes and found it was ok, but not great, and got peeved when the UV filter was hiting what I was trying to take.
Got jack of it and bought the canon 100mm macro.
Thank God! It is a great lense, absolutely. It is fantastic with macro, and you are further away from the object.
The extension tubes work great with this lense.

And it is a lovely portrait lens.
And it is the lense I have been using to shoot indoor soccer.

Go the 100 macro, brilliant.

Waz
whizzzz, there goes life again.....
But now captured on a Canon 40D with bits

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wazonthehill/
User avatar
wazonthehill2
Member
 
Posts: 146
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: Valentine Newcastle NSW Australia


Return to Absolute Beginners Questions