Diamonds and Monarto

[ewm3]

Has anyone else had an invite from Diamonds about a trip to Monarto on 11th January? Looks like a good deal; is anyone going to it?

[bwhatnall]

I most certanly am, went in today and paid my $20 for it, cant wait. Been to monarto once before, but never with a borrowed 300mm Nikon f/2.8, now thats gonna be cool

[fozzie]

Yes I have, plus accepted and paid the $20 cost for the whole day. It is actually on Tuesday 11th November, 2008. An extract from an e-mail, quote 'over $1 million dollars of equipment for you to try' unquote. I am hoping to use a Nikon 600mm f/4 VRII.

fozzie

[ewm3]

Can't believe I wrote January!

[Big V]

I am looking forward to the 600 F4 and the 800 F5.6 that Canon will have there. Fozzie, Adam and I went up last week for a look at the new Lion platform to scope it out so to speak.. If it is a hot day, you will need a 17-40mm lens as the female lions and the cubs sit at the base of the platform in the shade, you can almost touch them.

[robw25]

I am hoping to use a Nikon 600mm f/4 VRII.

oh you lucky bastard !!!!!!!!!! i checked my roster and "of course" i'm working

cheers rob

[bwhatnall]

Really looking foreward to it, hehe, shotgun the second Nikon 600mm if its not taken

Do you know if we are able to borrow upgraded bodies, would love a D3 for the day as well?

[fozzie]

bwhatnall - it is my understanding that we will be working in pair's per setup.

I intend on taking my own camera body, and most probably Nikkor AF-S DX 17-55 for the models.

Really looking foreward to it, hehe, shotgun the second Nikon 600mm if its not taken

Do you know if we are able to borrow upgraded bodies, would love a D3 for the day as well?

fozzie

[rookie2]

I am hoping to use a Nikon 600mm f/4 VRII.

oh you lucky bastard !!!!!!!!!! i checked my roster and "of course" i'm working

cheers rob

ditto here unfortunately..work meetings instead of visiting one of the great open air zoos and learning from the Lion king himself!

Have fun people!

R2

[bwhatnall]

bwhatnall - it is my understanding that we will be working in pair's per setup.

I intend on taking my own camera body, and most probably Nikkor AF-S DX 17-55 for the models.

Really looking foreward to it, hehe, shotgun the second Nikon 600mm if its not taken

Do you know if we are able to borrow upgraded bodies, would love a D3 for the day as well?

fozzie

Aah, sweet, gonna be a great day out, they are saying they will have some models out as well

[Doctor]

How do i get in on this?? Is it possible to get in on it or is it all full?

[tommyg]

I just rang up Photographic wholesalers to find out the details, and they said 'not a problem'

They will be having a number of buses taking people from outside the convention centre, and it will be an all-day event there.

Cost is only $20, just need to go in to their store and book.

Cheers
Tom

[Doctor]

Sounds like a good deal to me, will have to go in and inquire tomorrow when i'm camera shopping!

Cheers for the heads up

[DebT]

Hi,
have my seat organised so will see you there
DebT

[Big V]

Deb it should be a fun day with a few nice surprises thrown in..

[fozzie]

DebT - well done. Now we will have to find you some Fireman to act as models. Less than 2 week to go, but who is counting

Hi,
have my seat organised so will see you there
DebT

fozzie

[Doctor]

Im confused now... Is the Monarto trip in January or in Two weeks time?

[fozzie]

Doctor - Tuesday 11th November, 2008.

Im confused now... Is the Monarto trip in January or in Two weeks time?

fozzie

[Doctor]

Has anyone else had an invite from Diamonds about a trip to Monarto on 11th January? Looks like a good deal; is anyone going to it?

Doctor - Tuesday 11th November, 2008.

fozzie

Now thats why i was confused..... Guess ill have to give this one a miss then Would rather be out there with you lot than in an exam room, but i should probably go to my exam lol

[DanielA]

Come on everyone. Where are all the pictures from today!

I was sorry to miss the outing. I didn't find out about it until too late. Then I heard six bus-loads were going, so I wasn't so sorry anymore.

How was the day?

Daniel, back from travelling...

[adame]

Daniel, was a fantastic day even though it was extremley hot....... pics coming i have to go back to work this week im sure someone else will post some.

Cheers
Adam

[inmotion]

HI yes it was a great day I will post an image or two but I need to seek some advice on doing so. It was great to use some nikon gear that I am looking at , but the best thing was meeting other Nikon users and swapping gear amoungst us. One lady even offered the loan of a 80-400vr as i am thinking of getting one - how good is that!!!Also a few expressed interest in my old canon gear.Good company Great location , plenty of gear to sample much better than the Adelaide zoo --in motion

[Doctor]

HI yes it was a great day I will post an image or two but I need to seek some advice on doing so. It was great to use some nikon gear that I am looking at , but the best thing was meeting other Nikon users and swapping gear amoungst us. One lady even offered the loan of a 80-400vr as i am thinking of getting one - how good is that!!!Also a few expressed interest in my old canon gear.Good company Great location , plenty of gear to sample much better than the Adelaide zoo --in motion

What gear you got to get rid of? Might be interested

[DebT]

Yes I went I saw and I played ...and now I am dreaming of what to buy next - I had a great day (despite having to wear a Nikon lanyard )..
but nothing really worth posting, shots I took using loan cameras all have some flaw or other (as one could expect playing with something totally new) but I used the day to experiment with different brands and it helped me to decide on my next purchase from the Canon range so I wasn't really focused on the end shots ...
mind you I bet there were some senstaional shots of the models taken by the group so you may see some of them appear
Deb T (Canon)

[fozzie]

I went solely to try out the Nikkor 400mm f/2.8 VRII, 500mm f/4 VRII and 600mm f/4 VRII in the field. The bonus was that they all had the same camera body attached, Dx3. I have know made up my mind, that I will be purchasing down the track the Nikkor 400mm f/2.8 VRII. Just is more flexible for my style of shooting and with either a TC-14EII or TC-17EII will give me the extra reach, if and when required.

fozzie

[DebT]

Nice shot Fozzie especially the eyes - looks like you have a new challenge

Deb T

[DanielA]

Daniel, was a fantastic day even though it was extremley hot.......

I imagine there were also just a few people crowding around... Did you have to fight to get access to equipment?

One lady even offered the loan of a 80-400vr as i am thinking of getting one - how good is that!!!

That's a great lens. It's my most used lens.

mind you I bet there were some senstaional shots of the models taken by the group so you may see some of them appear

One of the guys from work went and he enjoyed the models. From the sounds of it the animals stayed away.

I went solely to try out the Nikkor 400mm f/2.8 VRII, 500mm f/4 VRII and 600mm f/4 VRII in the field.

Sounds like a nice way to spend the day.

I have know made up my mind, that I will be purchasing down the track the Nikkor 400mm f/2.8 VRII.

I have to say I would probably jump straight to the 400mm 2.8 instead of the 300mm. I'd be interested to see it when you get it.

Daniel

[team piggy]

I found access to the top gear pretty good, plenty fo D3's etc going around.Everyone was pretty fair and I didnt see any "hogging" going on (Pig joke)

Animals were fairly scarce, and a lot of us "underlensed" to save carrying weight, where as some were literally dragging a studio around on their backs!!

The models were great, and put on a sensational effort considering the amount of images that they must have posed for during the day! Considering the animals were pretty scarce they added something nice to shoot

[DanielA]

I found access to the top gear pretty good, plenty fo D3's etc going around.

Sounds nice. I wonder if they got all the gear back.

I'm sure they will sell a bit of gear after this event. Now that everyone has tried out the expensive stuff...

The models were great, and put on a sensational effort considering the amount of images that they must have posed for during the day! Considering the animals were pretty scarce they added something nice to shoot

It would have been a long day. I really don't know how that models keep doing it. Much easier behind the lens.

Daniel

[bwhatnall]

It was an amazing day out, unfortunately I have to give that Nikon Lanyard back .

Here are my best 5 shots, hopefully they will stand a small change in the comp.







You can read a full recap here:
http://brookewphoto.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/photographic-wholesalers-monarto-field-day/

[DanielA]

It was an amazing day out, unfortunately I have to give that Nikon Lanyard back .

I'm surprised they didn't let you keep that.

Here are my best 5 shots, hopefully they will stand a small change in the comp.

Great shots. I wonder when they will run this again?

You can read a full recap here:
http://brookewphoto.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/photographic-wholesalers-monarto-field-day/

You say you used a "Nikkor 600mm f/2.8". I didn't know they made a f/2.8... Only the f/4. The 2.8 would be massive.

Daniel

[potato1]

Hey bwhatnall, love the giraffe shot, eye catching compostition! Is there a platform in the giraffe area? (im guessing that wasnt from the bus?)

[bwhatnall]

Hey bwhatnall, love the giraffe shot, eye catching compostition! Is there a platform in the giraffe area? (im guessing that wasnt from the bus?)

Thanks for that, yes, they have built a few more viewing platforms at different areas, it is really great, you could get some stunning shots of the animals, even with a 50mm as they come so close.


Yes, it was the f4, I can only hope they make a 2.8 one day

[Big V]

Just a heads up - we are not allowed to publish pictures from the day unless the forms have been filled in. You should have received an email from Ian telling you this.

[robw25]

Just a heads up - we are not allowed to publish pictures from the day unless the forms have been filled in. You should have received an email from Ian telling you this.

did you sign something to say you wouldnt show other people your photo's ? i'm confused ! ( dont go there !! )

cheers rob

[Big V]

Rob, we have to get permission from Tanya Powell model agency to use pics of the girls and Monarto for the Zoo pics - was part of the deal.

[robw25]

Rob, we have to get permission from Tanya Powell model agency to use pics of the girls and Monarto for the Zoo pics - was part of the deal.

oh i thought it was about the animal pics ... thanxs

[bwhatnall]

edited

[Big V]

Brook - dont shoot the messenger, just relaying what was said, it is entirely up to you what you do with your photos but it has been pointed out that you do need permission from the zoo if you are to sell any of the shots. Yes they are their animals and you were on their property, wether you play by the rules is up to you.

[gstark]

That would be rediculous if they tried to retain copyright over the animal shots. They could say that it is their property and their animals, so theoretically they could retain image rights to the animals, but there is no way to prove that the shots were of their animals, as the difference of a girraffe with a blurred background at monarto is any different to a girraffe with a blurred background in afrika, hence most of the wildlfie shots are already up on my shutterstock folio, and are selling nicely

Brook,

If the arrangements made for the day means that you needed to sign an agreement, then you need to do the honourable thing and sign and abide by that agreement.

I would also be surprised if any agreement for this sort of day permitted you commercial rights to sell those images; that would be most unusual, and Big V seems to be confirming that this is not permitted.

Additionally, your statement that you have breached those rules, as noted above, is probably not the smartest thing to do: it's a clear admission by you that you're in breach of the agreement, and despite your assertion that "there is no way to prove that the shots were of their animals", you have just stated that they are. As I said, not quite the smartest thing to do, is it?

You have now placed me in a difficult position, because, as the owner of this site, you have made me aware of your breach of this agreement. As you know, we respect the IP in the images posted by members here, and as clearly stated in our FAQ, we also need to respect the IP of others as well. The evidence presented by yourself is that you are in reach of our guidelines.

You seriously now need to consider your position.

[bwhatnall]

Well I better ask for permission then . if they dont give it, I better take down those images, simple . I was simply putting the idea out there

[gstark]

Well I better ask for permission then

I believe that would be appropriate.

if they dont give it, I better take down those images, simple.

Essentially, yes.

I was simply putting the idea out there

Given your prior statements ...

but there is no way to prove that the shots were of their animals, ...... hence most of the wildlfie shots are already up on my shutterstock folio, and are selling nicely

I have trouble accepting that you were merely "putting the idea out there".

[team piggy]

On a note. I did indeed as did a few others ask in writing for permission from both parties. Not that I was interested in selling anything, more being 100% covered if I decided to post them anywhere.
Not one reply to any of us to date...... From what I have heard no-one has been granted permisiion form the Zoo or Tania Powells as of yet.. Food for thought.

(The details were commercial usage or sales as well) I think posting here should be passable, but then maybe not.?

[gstark]

On a note. I did indeed as did a few others ask in writing for permission from both parties.

I would send a follow-up message. Refer to your earlier missive (by date and time) and express your disapointment that they have not yet responded.

Then go on to again ask for permission, pointing out that you are acting in good faith to comply with their request that this permission be sought, and (subtlely) suggest that you may take their continued failure to respond (within a stated time frame) as implied permission to proceed with the posting of your images.

Absent any response within that stated timeframe, gopher it.