Snowsports

Got a thin skin? Then look elsewhere. Post a link to an image that you've made, and invite others to offer their critiques. Honesty is encouraged, but please be positive in your constructive criticism. Flaming and just plain nastiness will not be tolerated. Please note that this is not an area for you to showcase your images, nor is this a place for you to show-off where you have been. This is an area for you to post images so that you may share with us a technique that you have mastered, or are trying to master. Typically, no more than about four images should be posted in any one post or thread, and the maximum size of any side of any image should not exceed 950 px.

Moderators: Greg B, Nnnnsic, Geoff, Glen, gstark, Moderators

Forum rules
Please note that image critiquing is a matter of give and take: if you post images for critique, and you then expect to receive criticism, then it is also reasonable, fair and appropriate that, in return, you post your critique of the images of other members here as a matter of courtesy. So please do offer your critique of the images of others; your opinion is important, and will help everyone here enjoy their visit to far greater extent.

Also please note that, unless you state something to the contrary, other members might attempt to repost your image with their own post processing applied. We see this as an acceptable form of critique, but should you prefer that others not modify your work, this is perfectly ok, and you should state this, either within your post, or within your signature.

Images posted here should conform with the general forum guidelines. Image sizes should not exceed 950 pixels along the largest side (height or width) and typically no more than four images per post or thread.

Please also ensure that you have a meaningful location included in your profile. Please refer to the FAQ for details of what "meaningful" is.

Snowsports

Postby shakey on Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:09 pm

Well haven't posted many photos for a long time. Here's a few from the weekend before last... Australia's oldest ski race, the Balmain Cup

Image

Image

Image

Image

D300 with 70-200 VR
User avatar
shakey
Senior Member
 
Posts: 696
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:24 pm
Location: Far South Coast NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby surenj on Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:24 pm

These are equisite exposures ignoring the great timing and composition.

I assume that the fill ight is produced by the snow>?
User avatar
surenj
Senior Member
 
Posts: 7197
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:21 pm
Location: Artarmon NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby colin_12 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:05 am

.....and don't they just fly by.......
Nice captures.
Regards Colin
Cameras, lenses and a lust for life
User avatar
colin_12
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1853
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:10 pm
Location: Hazelbrook

Re: Snowsports

Postby gstark on Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:14 am

Simon,

These are very good.

What wb setting did you have on the camera?
g.
Gary Stark
Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff
The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
User avatar
gstark
Site Admin
 
Posts: 22918
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:41 pm
Location: Bondi, NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby Wink on Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:46 pm

Very nice!
Adam.
MY PHOTOS
Allows Image Editing
User avatar
Wink
Senior Member
 
Posts: 911
Joined: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:23 pm
Location: Seymour, VIC

Re: Snowsports

Postby shakey on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:05 pm

Surenj,

All natural light

Gary,

WB was set to auto....usually worked out at 5700-5750. That looked a little cold (mild pun intended) so I cranked it up to 6000 plus in post. I didn't pick any specific number, just what looked OK on the monitor.

#1 6150
#2 6050
#3 6300
#4 6200


Thanks for the comments!
User avatar
shakey
Senior Member
 
Posts: 696
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:24 pm
Location: Far South Coast NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby gstark on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:35 pm

shakey wrote:That looked a little cold (mild pun intended) so I cranked it up to 6000 plus in post.


It normally does, for shots made in the snow, but these ones didn't, hence my question. In this thread, Andrew raises some questions about AWB, and your images piqued my curiosity in terms of how they were shot, and whether they fell within the realm of what Andrew was looking at.

Your answer suggests that the D300's awb may not have chosen optimal settings (in your opinion) for these images. This doesn't discount Andrew's thoughts in any way, but helps to add to our knowledge in these matters.

Thanks.
g.
Gary Stark
Nikon, Canon, Bronica .... stuff
The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it - US Pres. Bartlet
User avatar
gstark
Site Admin
 
Posts: 22918
Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:41 pm
Location: Bondi, NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby surenj on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Not take too off topic,

Would you not set them all to the same value given that they were taken in similar and a background?
User avatar
surenj
Senior Member
 
Posts: 7197
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:21 pm
Location: Artarmon NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby biggerry on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:56 pm

These are great, such great control on the exposure, did you have many that you had to ditch?

The last two are standouts from my end, the inclusion of that bit of blue sky is great, they have almost a surreal/HDR look to them, top stuff... :up: :up:
gerry's photography journey
No amount of processing will fix bad composition - trust me i have tried.
User avatar
biggerry
Senior Member
 
Posts: 5930
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 12:40 am
Location: Under the flight path, Newtown, Sydney

Re: Snowsports

Postby shakey on Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:45 pm

surenj wrote:Not take too off topic,

Would you not set them all to the same value given that they were taken in similar and a background?


Lighting conditions did vary a bit over the course of the competition..which was over about 4 hours...mostly sunny, but sometimes the blue sky was completely clouded over. Take a look through the Balmain Cup 2009 gallery on the smugmug website to see how it could change. Since I shoot in RAW I'm not too fussed about setting the WB before I shoot. In PP a uniformly set WB would work for most of the shots, but not all of them given how the lighting can change. In Adobe RAW you can change the WB to what looks good to you in a couple of seconds per shot, so that's what I did.

There are certainly situations where accurate and consistent WB is important but I didn't regard this as one of those situations.
User avatar
shakey
Senior Member
 
Posts: 696
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:24 pm
Location: Far South Coast NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby shakey on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:18 pm

biggerry wrote:These are great, such great control on the exposure, did you have many that you had to ditch?

The last two are standouts from my end, the inclusion of that bit of blue sky is great, they have almost a surreal/HDR look to them, top stuff... :up: :up:


There were 343 shots taken during the comp. Of these about 172 made it onto the smugmug photo site, and these 4 were selected from those.

I guess I should tell you the nitty gritty as well...I was going to spend the day just taking photos...however my ski club needed gate marshalls to help with the comp...a gate marshall's job is to make sure competitors go round the correct side of the assigned gates ( normally 2-3 gates per marshall)...so I said ...if you don't get enough volunteers..I'll help out. Well as it turned out the club had 2 volunteers...myself and another guy...so he was going to do 2 races and I was going to do the other one..which would have allowed me plenty of time to take photos during the races he was marshalling.

Come the morning of the race, he falls A over T on the ice as he walks out of the club, does something serious to his back, and is out of action for the day. So I end up being the gate marshall for all 3 races..

So there was this crazy gate marshall trying to take photos as well as doing his assigned job...

Of the 170 or so shots on the smugmug site there are some very ordinary ones, but I've tried to have at least one shot of each competitor because the different clubs in the competition may want to use them for their club newsletters or what not. I don't think there were any other photographers at the competition....hnmmmm...thinks next year...DSLRusers minimeet at the snow.... :) :) :)


Oops...a little add..I think you asked whether I had to ditch any for exposure reasons...the answer is that none were ditched for this reason. The ditched shots were either out of focus, poor composition, or not dynamic enough. Any exposure issues were easily corrected in PP
User avatar
shakey
Senior Member
 
Posts: 696
Joined: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:24 pm
Location: Far South Coast NSW

Re: Snowsports

Postby biggerry on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:38 pm

343 shots taken during the comp. Of these about 172 made it onto the smugmug photo site

I think you asked whether I had to ditch any for exposure reasons...the answer is that none were ditched for this reason. The ditched shots were either out of focus, poor composition, or not dynamic enough


tidy strike rate :up:

he falls A over T on the ice as he walks out of the club

ouch, did that once...but was as pi$$ed as a parrot so i had an excuse..

thinks next year...DSLRusers minimeet at the snow


yeah sounds good - my only gripe would be shelling out for a lift pass just for photography and not going on the board...or is this a more accessible location?
gerry's photography journey
No amount of processing will fix bad composition - trust me i have tried.
User avatar
biggerry
Senior Member
 
Posts: 5930
Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 12:40 am
Location: Under the flight path, Newtown, Sydney

Re: Snowsports

Postby Killakoala on Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:56 am

They really are excellent snow images. Your panning technique must be very sound to get results this good.
Steve.
|D700| D2H | F5 | 70-200VR | 85 1.4 | 50 1.4 | 28-70 | 10.5 | 12-24 | SB800 |
Website-> http://www.stevekilburn.com
Leeds United for promotion in 2014 - Hurrah!!!
User avatar
Killakoala
Senior Member
 
Posts: 5398
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: Southland NZ


Return to Image Reviews and Critiques