Crabbing down the line

[biggerry]

Go on admit it, you just had to open this thread just to see wtf is with that thread title

I am interested in opinions on the presentation of the following two composite images, which works better? (subject aside) does the border need to be thinner to be less intrusive? do you actually need a border? i dislike borders so you can imagine my distaste in putting them on my images however I found for triptych's they help isolate each frame.

[TonyT]

Why does the border need to be black. With the subject matter I think the first works better.

[radar]

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.

cheers,

André PS: just thought you had gone fishing

[chrisk]

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.

cheers,

André PS: just thought you had gone fishing

whats the best/easiest way to do that ? i have tried a few times and i can never get it all nice and even unless i spend hours doing it all.

[gstark]

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.

cheers,

André PS: just thought you had gone fishing

whats the best/easiest way to do that ? i have tried a few times and i can never get it all nice and even unless i spend hours doing it all.

Throw some tackle and bait in the car, and head down the coast ...

Oh ....

I'm, with Tony here: the first treatment seems to work better with this subject matter.

[Matt. K]

First series is more logical as planes land from high to low...or top to bottom....so the images flow, in that sense. A bit of tilt might have addes some extra interest, (or not).
Nice series Gerry.

[Remorhaz]

I also much prefer the first setup to the second.

NB: another thing with the second is that first image looks out of place with it facing the other direction (it probably wasn't but it gives the impression the shot was taken from a different position).

I also agree with the below

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.

whats the best/easiest way to do that ? i have tried a few times and i can never get it all nice and even unless i spend hours doing it all.

and this isn't useful to Gerry but... you can do this fairly easily in Lightroom's print module which can automatically create these multi image layouts (tryptych's, etc) and you can also save templates for future use where you just drag images from your filmstrip into the spots and voila.

[Reschsmooth]

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.

cheers,

André PS: just thought you had gone fishing

whats the best/easiest way to do that ? i have tried a few times and i can never get it all nice and even unless i spend hours doing it all.

Show a grid at a sufficiently small scale to help you align each image. When I do this and say I have three 10x15 cm prints and I want a 1 cm gap between each and 2 cm on the border, I create an blank canvas of 36 cm and then show a 1cm grid. Each line on the grid represents 1 cm so the left and right images are placed on the 2nd line in from the respective borders and the middle is placed 1 square from the outer image

[aim54x]

The first works better for me...but that is more than likely subject matter biased as well.

I would try with larger borders, just to get a bit more separation.

[colin_12]

Another vote for the first of these Gerry.

Post up a few variations on borders and we could vote on that for you.

[surenj]

Go on admit it, you just had to open this thread just to see wtf is with that thread title

Yes. Is this some Aircraft lingo?? Pls fill us in.

Another vote for #1 is you use them as is.

How about keeping the same thickness of borders but slighly tilting each image to make it more whimsical.... I guess this way it won't be a triptych per-se but three connected images...

[hark40]

Is this some Aircraft lingo?? Pls fill us in.

Crabbing is an aviation term. When there is a cross wind when landing ( ie there is a wind blowing left to right or right to left across the runway) you have to point the aircraft into the wind so that you continue to fly straight relative to the ground. The stronger the crosswind the more you have to point the plane into the wind. This is known as crabbing. You can see it in more in the second image above especially in the first frame as the plane is pointing to the left quite distinctly but in the remainder of the shots of the sequence its straighter. The plane is flying straight relative to the runway its landing on even though its pointing in a different direction.

And another vote for #1.

[surenj]

Crabbing is an aviation term

Thanks Hark. Now it makes sense.

[PiroStitch]

Not sure what happened to my original post from earlier....

The landscape works better, however the first image of the second set shows crabbing much better. The angle of the plane itself creates more tension than the rest of the examples captured.

[biggerry]

Why does the border need to be black. With the subject matter I think the first works better.

thats a very good point, dunno, in my case is was a dark grey, which seemed to work upon first impression.

Gerry, the way I like to do these is with a thin black line around each image on a white canvas where you have some white in between each image and around them. Keeping them as close as you have takes away from each frame, imho.
cheers,
André PS: just thought you had gone fishing

righto, that sounds good, see the version down below, i think that actually does work better, in my reworked version I reckon I still need even thinner border lines.

I wish I was fishing

whats the best/easiest way to do that ? i have tried a few times and i can never get it all nice and even unless i spend hours doing it all.

I think you already have the answer to this now, in PS its a piece of cake albeit I would not like to have to do it all the time. Heres what I do, bearing in mind i very rarely use PS. Make a new file big enough and copy the 3 images onto it, move and adjust to the grid (set grid to something small in Preferences) make BG black or white, then if you want the extra thin borders just draw black boxes (on new layer) around the images snapping to the grid, make sure that layer is below the images and done.

I'm, with Tony here: the first treatment seems to work better with this subject matter.

First series is more logical as planes land from high to low...or top to bottom....so the images flow, in that sense. A bit of tilt might have addes some extra interest, (or not).
Nice series Gerry.

ta, Matt you make a good point that the first is more logical with the a/c coming down etc.

With regard to the tilt, man ya busting me nuts check out that second image in the first series, that is about as symmetrical as ya can get on a plane view Strangely enough I did not even have to correct any tilt on these ones..

I also much prefer the first setup to the second.

cheers Rodney

and this isn't useful to Gerry but... you can do this fairly easily in Lightroom's print module which can automatically create these multi image layouts (tryptych's, etc) and you can also save templates for future use where you just drag images from your filmstrip into the spots and voila.

yeah did it in LR3 also LR3 option for this is pretty neat and very quick, is there a option to print to tiff rather than jpeg in the print mod?

I would try with larger borders, just to get a bit more separation.

Post up a few variations on borders and we could vote on that for you.

see below, cheers guys.

Yes. Is this some Aircraft lingo?? Pls fill us in.
Another vote for #1 is you use them as is.
How about keeping the same thickness of borders but slighly tilting each image to make it more whimsical.... I guess this way it won't be a triptych per-se but three connected images...

crabbing is simply referring to the aircraft coming into approach with a yawed (directional, forward-rear) heading to counteract the cross wind (if you fly a straight path with wind coming from the left you get blown off course). Some aircraft and some pilots fly this approach 'crabbed' (nose pointing to the left (wind direction) all the way down until metres off the deck whereby the straighten it up and then drop it on the tarmac - others just crab in then plonk it down and the aircraft straightens up for them when on the tarmac.

so in the images posted, you can see it very clearly on the second series, where teh 747-400 has its nose clearly pointed to the left until a few metres off teh deck where it is now almost striaght down the centreline.

Check out youtube and do a search or crosswind landings, make sure you look at the 777 test flights and the famous 747 landings at the old Kai Tak Airport

enough babble...

alright version 2




and just for kicks and giggles the LR3 one

[biggerry]

And another vote for #1.

ta.

Not sure what happened to my original post from earlier....

The landscape works better, however the first image of the second set shows crabbing much better. The angle of the plane itself creates more tension than the rest of the examples captured.

yeah thats a good point, I wished I had taken the second series as a landscape shot..

[surenj]

Bah, I reckon black & white borders work better than black alone.

others just crab in then plonk it down and the aircraft straightens up for them when on the tarmac.

I reckon this method may be less comfortable to the passengers? Thanks for the info.

[biggerry]

whoops, helps if you get the right images in the sequence..

points to LR3, less than 2 seconds to swap images out

[biggerry]

Bah, I reckon black & white borders work better than black alone.

others just crab in then plonk it down and the aircraft straightens up for them when on the tarmac.

I reckon this method may be less comfortable to the passengers? Thanks for the info.

yeah definitely, i can only also imagine the extra stress on teh dangly bits - however that said I think the newer plastic cans, 777 etc have 'better' self aligning (for lack of better term) main danglys so they can just plonk it down

[Geoff M]

Presentation of the images in the last rework gets top marks. I use LR3 and did not know you could export the 'file' with the borders etc. unless straight to print......care to share how?

[radar]

Gerry,

much prefer the reworked version

Rooz, already a number of answers to your question. I do mine a bit differently but in PS, there is plenty of ways to skin a cat

cheers

André

[zafra52]

I prefer the first three because the order
makes sense. These same three could also
work just as well from left to right.

[biggerry]

much prefer the reworked version

thanks Andre, i have certainly benefited from this thread!

I going a bit triptych mad now

Presentation of the images in the last rework gets top marks. I use LR3 and did not know you could export the 'file' with the borders etc. unless straight to print......care to share how?

Hey Geoff, its pretty easy, highlight your 3 images -> then just go to the Print Module then select the triptych template from teh browser on teh left then on the properties/customise pane on the right scroll all the way to teh bottom where its says 'Print to Printer' you can click this and change to 'jpeg'

I would be interested in knowing how to print to tiff if at all...

[surenj]

I would be interested in knowing how to print to tiff if at all...

There will be a plug-in somewhere. I know I used a PDF plug-in once from LR.

Ok here is an idea but slightly cumbersome.
http://pcuser.com.au/help/expert/photo-imaging/print-to-tif-using-lightroom