CCD Cleaning..scratched CCD!!!

[genji]

so it tried cleaning CCD



with equipment



the result



somebody tell me this is not the end

genji

[birddog114]

genji,
1/ 407 is not equal/ the St Henri or 707 will do better, change to 707 and it'll be better. Go get one and you'll see!
2/ The Sensor swab won't work as you want, pack it up and return to Nulab for full refunds.
3/ Not the end of the life of the CCD, made yourself a good spatula and wrap pec*pad around, will solve the problems.

[genji]

genji,
1/ 407 is not equal/ the St Henri or 707 will do better, change to 707 and it'll be better. Go get one and you'll see!
2/ The Sensor swab won't work as you want, pack it up and return to Nulab for full refunds.
3/ Not the end of the life of the CCD, made yourself a good spatula and wrap pec*pad around, will solve the problems.

i agree i;ve had better, got it at wedding in adelaide.

spatula...i c what kipper said about sensow swab bendiing too much

have it scratched the sensor????

[mudder]

G'day,
I really hope the third image is showing smears not scratches... I assume that to scratch the filter that sits above the CCD, either the glass filter must have some mineral "deposits" that could maybe get dragged across the glass, ot the swab was dirty?

Some more experienced members may provide more helpful feedback, but hope they're just smears, have you tried giving it another clean with a fresh swab?

I whoosed out and simply blew mine with a blower and seems cleaner now, only a couple of small bunnies...

[birddog114]

No, sensorswab won't scratch the CCD but it won't clean the CCD cos it's too weak, and perhaps you made the swab too wet.

[genji]

G'day,
I really hope the third image is showing smears not scratches... I assume that to scratch the filter that sits above the CCD, either the glass filter must have some mineral "deposits" that could maybe get dragged across the glass, ot the swab was dirty?

Some more experienced members may provide more helpful feedback, but hope they're just smears, have you tried giving it another clean with a fresh swab?

I whoosed out and simply blew mine with a blower and seems cleaner now, only a couple of small bunnies...

there appears to be streak across the sensor...tried about 4 swabs...the black streaks dont seem to go away..

[birddog114]

Put itaside, relax and do it tomorrow.

[genji]

Put itaside, relax and do it tomorrow.

more wine..to calm the nerves

[christiand]

Hi,

Relax .......................................................................................... a lot .
How exactly (every single step please ... how many drops of Eclipse, how long in between Eclipse and wiping the sensor etc ...) are you trying to clean the sensor ?
Again, relax ......................................... a lot.
Now, have you tried again and if so what were the results ?
I'm not going to tell you what I have tried for sensor cleaning methods BEFORE I used Eclipse and PecPads.
But be assured I'd probably get killed if I made that public.
And even so, the sensor survived !
Saying that, I believe that you really only have a minor problem.

Cheers
CD

[genji]

Hi,

Relax .......................................................................................... a lot .
How exactly (every single step please ... how many drops of Eclipse, how long in between Eclipse and wiping the sensor etc ...) are you trying to clean the sensor ?
Again, relax ......................................... a lot.
Now, have you tried again and if so what were the results ?
I'm not going to tell you what I have tried for sensor cleaning methods BEFORE I used Eclipse and PecPads.
But be assured I'd probably get killed if I made that public.
And even so, the sensor survived !
Saying that, I believe that you really only have a minor problem.

Cheers
CD

i c what yor r saying...the eclipse dries fast!!!
1. open sensor swab plastic wrapper. leave sensor sab inside wrapper
2. set camera to MLU.
3. take len off
4. put 2 big eclipse drops to one side of swab
5. clean as indicated

i noticed the last time i did it some of the black smear has gone. but majority still intact.

i am worried because i wanted to prepare the D70 for a baptism this sunday. i guess u can say first hired job.

give it a another try now...

[christiand]

Give it a break as Birddog suggests.
AFTER the break, try again and wipe the filter (that actually resides in front of the sensor) once accross going one way (once !) and then back again going the other way (once !)
I also had some black smear once and a second clean with a new pad fixed that.

Have a nice break.
CD

[genji]

ok did another clean..seems to be getting better...at 1.8 dont see anything...start to c black streaks at F3.5/4, so it cant be sensor

if it is sensor, at any aperture it would matter???

[genji]

yeah i will do as u and birddog say...going to watch something on BT channel

thanks for calming me down

[digitor]

ok did another clean..seems to be getting better...at 1.8 dont see anything...start to c black streaks at F3.5/4, so it cant be sensor

if it is sensor, at any aperture it would matter???

Yes, any contamination on the sensor (or LP filter) will look worse at a smaller aperture, because the light source tends more towards a point, and thus casts more distinct shadows. Anyway, finish the wine, and go and watch TV!

Cheers

[kipper]

Hahah just read this thread from top to bottom.
This is exactly how I was.

Don't worry Genji, unless you've really really put superdoopa pressure on the sensor swab and snapped it so that brittle plastic scrapped across the lp filter glass, I very much doubt that you have scratched it.

I was getting these smears when I first cleaned and I was like "OH NO, Ive killed my D70". I just went away and came back to it a few hours later. Trying different directions and different techniques until it went away. As you've discovered, SensorSwabs as I said via PM are shit. Don't use them, biggest rip off going. They're manufactured like that so that the manufacturer isn't liable for any damage.

[phillipb]

As I said on a previous thread, I find that the plastic forks from "Gloria Jeans Coffee" is just about perfect, the fork part snapps off easily, leaving a wedged tip which requires only a little sanding with fine emmery paper.
I am collecting a few, I'll drop them off at Birdy's net time I'm there for any of our members who want one.

[birddog114]

phillips,
Thanks and it's great ideas for new members who want to DIY, perhaps I'll cut and make to the sample of sensorswipe and give to the new guys.
They can come at saturday mini meet with free session of CCD cleaning and learning how to DIY.
Have you got the len 50/f1.2 AIS on ebay?

[phillipb]

No Birdy, I think it went for $326 a couple of hours ago.

[birddog114]

No Birdy, I think it went for $326 a couple of hours ago.

Not a bad price for that mint condition lens 50/f1.2 AIS

[genji]

Hahah just read this thread from top to bottom.
This is exactly how I was.

Don't worry Genji, unless you've really really put superdoopa pressure on the sensor swab and snapped it so that brittle plastic scrapped across the lp filter glass, I very much doubt that you have scratched it.

I was getting these smears when I first cleaned and I was like "OH NO, Ive killed my D70". I just went away and came back to it a few hours later. Trying different directions and different techniques until it went away. As you've discovered, SensorSwabs as I said via PM are shit. Don't use them, biggest rip off going. They're manufactured like that so that the manufacturer isn't liable for any damage.

it makes me feel better that u had the same experience and that it will go away eventaully. yeah..i can hear it...I TOLD U SO!

about the different technique..did u clean along the width as well?

[theK]

I used gloves that come with hair-colouring products that my girlfriend bought. . This helps during the folding of the swab onto the spatula.

[kipper]

Genji, with the sensor swabs to get rid of the smears I basically took a photo of a blank subject (eg. sky or paper etc) and then levelled it out so I could see where smears/dust was and used that as a reference (remember it's vertically flipped).

I used both horizontal and vertical swiping to get rid of it with the swabs. Now with the swipe I don't have to really worry much about vertical, just one horizontal and one horizontal back. Once you get good at it, less eclipse = good. Too much = bad (smears).

[genji]

Genji, with the sensor swabs to get rid of the smears I basically took a photo of a blank subject (eg. sky or paper etc) and then levelled it out so I could see where smears/dust was and used that as a reference (remember it's vertically flipped).

I used both horizontal and vertical swiping to get rid of it with the swabs. Now with the swipe I don't have to really worry much about vertical, just one horizontal and one horizontal back. Once you get good at it, less eclipse = good. Too much = bad (smears).

thanks for the helpful advice darryl. that last sentence really helps

final image for tonight



no more larger smears. only small smear and some dbs

[pippin88]

As I said on a previous thread, I find that the plastic forks from "Gloria Jeans Coffee" is just about perfect, the fork part snapps off easily, leaving a wedged tip which requires only a little sanding with fine emmery paper.
I am collecting a few, I'll drop them off at Birdy's net time I'm there for any of our members who want one.

My Girlfriend works at Gloria Jeans, if you wanted I'm sure a box / packet of these could be acquired and left at Birddogs.

[birddog114]

As I said on a previous thread, I find that the plastic forks from "Gloria Jeans Coffee" is just about perfect, the fork part snapps off easily, leaving a wedged tip which requires only a little sanding with fine emmery paper.
I am collecting a few, I'll drop them off at Birdy's net time I'm there for any of our members who want one.

My Girlfriend works at Gloria Jeans, if you wanted I'm sure a box / packet of these could be acquired and left at Birddogs.

pippin88,
Get whatever you can, I'll spend time making up and members can pick it up at the mini meet.

[NewbieD70]

Hi Genji,

the glaringly obvious problem here is, its not Goundrys !

[genji]

Hi Genji,

the glaringly obvious problem here is, its not Goundrys !

i'm lost whats Goundrys???

[leek]

Hi Genji,

the glaringly obvious problem here is, its not Goundrys !

i'm lost whats Goundrys???

I think they meant Goundrey's - another brand of wine...

[the foto fanatic]

Last night I cleaned my CCD for the first time using the procedures that have been listed in this forum many times.

My first attempt reduced about 8 scattered small dust bunnies to 1 major (new) one, which continued to hang on to the top part of the image (I guess the bottom of the sensor/filter) despite 4 more attempts.

I gave up, and tried again this morning. This time though, I just used the Giotti, and holding the camera with the lens mount downwards, gave the sensor/filter a few good bursts of air. Success - now no sign of any dust!

It sure is good to get that first experience over and done with.

[birddog114]

I normally used the Giotto Air first prior to try the wet mode and mostly get rid of all loose dust bunnies same as on the lens, if you have adequate of the Silica gels in your camera bag most of the time, you may not need the wet mode to clean very often, especially for people who is living in the high humidity areas.
The loose dust bunnies stuck on your CCD due to humidity caused or for some ways when you clean the CCD and left it behind, once it dried, it stuck.

[the foto fanatic]

I normally used the Giotto Air first prior to try the wet mode and mostly get rid of all loose dust bunnies same as on the lens, if you have adequate of the Silica gels in your camera bag most of the time, you may not need the wet mode to clean very often, especially for people who is living in the high humidity areas.
The loose dust bunnies stuck on your CCD due to humidity caused or for some ways when you clean the CCD and left it behind, once it dried, it stuck.

Yes, I'm sure that's the right procedure. I did in fact use the Giotto first, but it did not remove any of the original bunnies, so I proceded to use Eclipse etc. I let the camera dry overnight & then tried the Giotto again and got the right result.

[genji]

well..everythings turned out OK.

no more smears on CCD and no more DB's

i feel like a fool but i;ve never seen a smeared CCD!!!! wasnt expecting that.

anyhow everythings better than b4, a clean CCD

thanks to everyone who calmed me down after the intial shock.

have a good weekend!!

genji

[birddog114]

and make sure you have a 707 ready on standby!

[kipper]

Good to hear Genji. I think we should sticky some of these threads. I think mine was a classic. Basically it will show any new comer that panic is usually the first thing that happens when you start cleaning. More contaminants appear, a few streaks and all hell breaks loose.

[genji]

yeah, i agree. gives member some background info on what to expect.

[birddog114]

yeah, i agree. gives member some background info on what to expect.

perhaps, you guy write a book about it
Courageous, Slowly, calmy and happy

[birddog114]

Hey! I have my D2h nearly a year but only clean it one time, I swapped lenses nearly every ten or fifteen minutes while on shooting, and used Giotto Air Rocket alot, on another side CMOS is difference with CCD.

[Banjo]

It is good to see that if i stuff up on my first attempt that i wouldn't be the first one to do so and probably not the last but the problem can be fixed with a little patience.

[Killakoala]

Well done Genji, that's a great relief for you, and for us...... we have CCD cleaning empathy.

[BBJ]

Well i had mine cleaned by a Maxwel service centre in Adelaide and i watched him do itand didn't go to any extremes like we do. He had like a lamp with magnifying glass on it and i didnt get a good look at what it was but looked like an art brush well was long like one and he put a pec pad on it and he dipped it in something, as he didn't open a bottle so yeh. A few blows with his small air blower and he took a couple of test shots cleaned again.
Anyhow he had some nice gear in there some big lenses and so on and well yeh thought i might as well use my freebie clean while there, was good of him to do it for there and then as i rang him when i was like 40 mins away and was near 5pm.

[kipper]

Using a ring lamp with magnifying glass or the magnifying eye peices for electronic work are good for cleaning CCD. Probably helps see things that the naked eye can just barely see.

[BBJ]

Yes Kipper, 1 of them, he is in an office and yeh did it at the desk so yeh nothing elaborate at all.

[genji]

thank you all for the empathy. I had promised my fiancee that we would take a day trip to Mt buffalo for the weekend....the experience of forum members in this situation really hepled me through it.

And here is a pic of our time at Mt Buffalo...

 PS. the SB800 is amazing for field work!! -1/3 stop would have eliminated the high-lights on her t-shirt

thanks all again