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Tokina 12-24I might get coupa of Tokina Zoom Super Wide Angle AF 12-24mm f/4 AT-X 124AF Pro DX, to see what the difference of it and the Sigma + Nikon.
 
                  
            I've seen good review of this lens on other sites but want to try it. Price is similar to the Sigma 12-24, but unconfirmed. Birddog114
 
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 The Sigma is still in my favour cos I haven't seen the Tokina yet and Tokina is not so popular with us as the Sigma or Nikon. Birddog114
 
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 Yes, I know that, the Tokina is similar to the Nikon 12-24 and the Tokina 12-24 is DX, Sigma can be used in both type of camera. I have the Nikon 12-24Dx btw, but would like to see anything in between them. The Tokina has few good reviews from DPR, and tried to search its spec. but could not find it yet in English. Birddog114
 
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 Found this on B&H, is this of any help   
                  
            http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control ... 350&is=REG Filter Size 77mm f/Stop Range 4-22 Minimum Focus Distance 11.8" (30 cm) Magnification 1:8.3 Zoom/Focus Control Two-touch Angle of View 99 to 61 Degrees Groups/Elements 11/13 Tripod Collar No Length 3.5" (90mm) Maximum Diameter 3.3" (84mm) Weight 1.2 lb (570 g) fozzie 
		When people ask what equipment I use - I tell them my eyes. 
 Thanks Birddog / Fozzie
 
                  
            
				That looks interesting. B&H have it for US$499 but no stock. Last edited by phillipb on Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
					
				 
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		Phillip **Nikon D7000** 
 
 With freight and other charges will be US$550.00 Birddog114
 
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 Adorama are the same, quote 'This Item is out of stock due to a back order situation. Please note: You can order this now and as soon as it arrives we will ship it to you. We do not charge your card for any backordered items. We only charge your card when we actually ship.' unquote
 
                  
            http://www.adorama.com/TN1224NKAF.html? ... &item_no=2 fozzie 
		When people ask what equipment I use - I tell them my eyes. 
 
 I try next week, but don't know yet, have to wait for Monday! If you're interested, I might push it harder. Birddog114
 
		VNAF, My Beloved Country and Airspace 
 With the price tag from B&H and adorma, sure you'll receive a ransom note from the Boys in Blue, hehehehe 
                  
            Birddog114
 
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 A few pics (53 MB of RAWs or 32 MB of jpgs) from the Tokina over at Nikonians: http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID17/1274.html
 
                  
            
		The last bloke there makes a very interesting point; I'm not so hung up on filters anymore, so am leaning towards the Sigma, unless the Tokina comes up optically better. The Sigma is only 1/3 stop slower at 12 mm, and I'm not so worried about that. Nothing I'm seeing is convincing me to go with the Nikkor option I'm afraid (sorry Stubbsy 
 
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