Does the D70s have WB encryption?

[leek]

I'm not 100% sure that Nikon are breaking any ACCC laws, and if they are I'm sure their legal team would find ways around it.

However, if members of this site did look further into taking action, it might be wise for members to be careful on what they say within these threads. If members berate and conspire against Nikon (or any company for that matter), it "could" be construde as collusion or defamation....which wouldn't help matters at all.

I am far from standing up for Nikon, and I don't agree with what they are doing either.....but we should all be very careful on what we say. After all, this is a public forum and anyone can read what we type. I'm sure the last thing we want to happen is the forum admins/moderators to get into trouble....

JMO

Fair point Dave, but there are no laws governing defamation of a company in Australia (yet)... and I can't think why they would construe anything we have said / done as collusion...

[MCWB]

John,

Fair call, but we should always err on the side of caution. Even if Gary (as the site's owner) or anyone else here were to be sued for something so stupid that he'd obviously win, it would no doubt cost him a considerable amount in legal advice along the way. The lawyers always win.

[darb]

suing a bunch of customers who are unhappy about products .. Not even nikon would be that stupid! (or woudl they)

[gstark]

After all, this is a public forum and anyone can read what we type.

Dave,

No, this is definitely NOT a public forum.

I permit limited public access, but any and all access is specifically assigned, and may be denied, by myself or Leigh.

We already have a number of IP addresses that I have deemed to be unwelcome, and I can ban any other IP (or group of IPs) at my discretion.

Now, the fact is that while I permit "limited" public access, the limitations, at this time, are not that great, but should I so desire, I can impose a number of restrictions pretty quickly.

Those restrictions can, for instance, include having non-public sections (we currently have two hidden sections plus the members' sections) and I can, as noted above, impose further similar restrictions, or impose IP, Domain, or Email address based restrictions should I feel a need.

That said, I';m not going to permit straight out slagging of any person or organisation, and that's been the case right from day 1. Check out the notes for the Traders' section for the guidelines there.

Basically, if somebody wants to flame someone, that's simply not welcome, and any such instances will be dealt with promptly and hopefully appropriately.

But if someone has had a poor experience with an organisation, and that's something that they can support, or if they have an opinion to voice that, again, is something that's sustainable, I have no problems with active discussions of that sort of thing.

Putting that another way, I remain a vocal critic of Maxwell's exhorbitant - extortionate even - pricing regime, and I challenge them to provide documentary evidence that their pricing is anything but reasonable. However, in recent times we have heard reports that they have done some good warranty work for a number of our members, and I will recognise and applaud such efforts when they're brought to my attention.

Regarding the encrypted wb issue, I regard that as an affront to my intelligence and independance, and should my camera ever need to go to Maxwell's and upon its return have such software installed without my prior approval, there will be hell to pay.

[gstark]

Fair point Dave, but there are no laws governing defamation of a company in Australia (yet)... and I can't think why they would construe anything we have said / done as collusion...

Collusion ????

ROTFLMAO!

What about class action? What's the difference?

[leek]

John,

Fair call, but we should always err on the side of caution. Even if Gary (as the site's owner) or anyone else here were to be sued for something so stupid that he'd obviously win, it would no doubt cost him a considerable amount in legal advice along the way. The lawyers always win.

I think Gary's more likely to get sued by Telstra for the things he says than anything we might say in criticism of Nikon's anti-competitive behaviour...

[darb]

or even a couple years down the track when you upgrade to the nikon of the time gary ... it certainly makes me rethink any future purchase, if this issue is still prevalent. (for now im just ignoring the workaround as its not an issue for me currently.)

[Greg B]

I have drafted a letter to Nikon Japan in anticipation of Maxwells failing to have the courtesy to reply to my email.

However, I am a reasonable person - I'll send another email in the morning and phone them before lunch to ascertain a reason for their failure to reply. The email address I am using is from their website, and they invite queries.

I feel the challenge mounting to get a reply. From somebody. Anybody.

[darb]

pfft, ring them now

[birddog114]

Voice mail:
Sorry, Due to my heart problems I'm on sick leave for 2 months, please leave your name and telephone number after the "beep" I will return your call as soon I backed to the office. Have a nice day!

Email:

Automated reply from their mail server:

"I'm out of the office and will reply your emails as soon as I get back to my office"

[gstark]

Brad,

or even a couple years down the track when you upgrade to the nikon of the time gary ... it certainly makes me rethink any future purchase, if this issue is still prevalent. (for now im just ignoring the workaround as its not an issue for me currently.)

I expect this sort of limitation to be clearly highlighted in their sales brochures and on their website. Any failure to do so is withholding from me significant material information that is crucial to my purchase decision because it factors into how I may, or may not, be able to use the device in question.

Case in point: in 2000 I purchased my IBM laptop. It has a DVD drive, but nowhere in their presales literature was their any mention of any limitations wrt region encoding, or how many times one might be able to reset the drive.

I pointed out to IBM at their highest level in Oz that this was deceptive and misleading, and sought (and received) compensation from them for this potentially reduced functionality.

I do not see this WB issue as being any different at all; they're reducing the camera's potential functionality and that is a significant and material factor.

And John, while what I say about Telstra is mild compared to what I truly think about them, the pertinent question comes back to one of whether I can justify what I'm saying. If I can, then where's the problem?

[leek]

And John, while what I say about Telstra is mild compared to what I truly think about them, the pertinent question comes back to one of whether I can justify what I'm saying. If I can, then where's the problem?

Exactly !!!

[Greg B]

Today's email to Maxwells. I have sent today's email to all the email addresses I could find on the Maxwells site.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 8:31 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'; 'simonh@maxwell.com.au'; 'service@maxwell.com.au'; 'info@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: RE: WB Encryption

Hi Maxwells

I refer to my two emails below and note that I have not received any response. Maybe Glenn was the wrong person to email, the site does invite emails, but maybe he is on leave or has defected to Canon. So I am sending this to all email addresses in the hope that it will find it's way to someone who can assist.

Would someone please respond to my questions below. To recap:-

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Many thanks

Greg Bourke


-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2005 9:52 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: FW: WB Encryption

Hi Glenn

I refer to my email below.

Please advise whether you are able to reposond, or whether I should direct my enquiry elsewhere, e.g., Nikon Japan. If this is the case, kindly provide me with a contact email address.

I would appreciate your reply today

Many thanks

Greg Bourke

-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 9:59 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: WB Encryption

Hi Glenn

I am a moderator on a large and very active Australian Nikon DSLR forum.

There has been a great deal of talk and speculation on our forum, and many others, concerning the encryption of WB information, and the consequences in terms of third party post processing applications.

Without concerning ourselves in any way as to the merits or otherwise of the encryption, in the interests of establishing some facts, I would be grateful if you could answer the following questions. All deal with simple facts to which any consumer or prospective consumer would be entitled.

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Your early response will be appreciated

Yours faithfully

Greg Bourke

[birddog114]

GregB,
Great works and well put! They will get this time, my guess. Today Friday 13th.

[the foto fanatic]

Onya Greg!
Maxwells/Nikon must be a sandwich short of a picnic.
They know the current issue is controversial, and they obviously have prepared some sort of "spin" for public consumption, as we saw in the recent posted interview on this forum.
Why would they not respond immediately to Greg's enquiry, even if only to send out the company-authorised spin?
Surely just ignoring reasonable and intelligent enquiries such as the ones Greg has sent only makes Maxwells/Nikon seem as though they just don't give a rat's about their consumers.
Dangerous behaviour in today's consumer active world.

[birddog114]

cricketfan,
GregB is not the only one who sent emails to Maxwell!
I knew they got more than over 100 emails regarding this issue from all over Australia, all came from Corporate, Goverment and Education Dept.
I'm not surprising their behaviour

[the foto fanatic]

cricketfan,
GregB is not the only one who sent emails to Maxwell!
I knew they got more than over 100 emails regarding this issue from all over Australia, all came from Corporate, Goverment and Education Dept.
I'm not surprising their behaviour

Wow
I wonder if they think that if they ignore it, it will eventually go away?

[birddog114]

I don't think they will get away with it but they had no authority to reply those emails in correct manners same as the interview with Nikon head in the uS.

[MCWB]

Yup, spot on Birdy. Even if they *do* know the answers to Greg's questions, they're damned if they do respond and damned if they don't! You can be sure Nikon is doing something about this issue presently, one way or the other (removing the encryption or developing PR spin), and IMHO it's extremely unlikely that any distributor like Maxwell would pre-empt Nikon's move, as it's a sure-fire way to piss a manufacturer off! Maxwell are just the messenger in this game, so I don't think we should shoot them on this issue.

[Greg B]

Agreed in principle, but if you go to the Nikon world wide gateway, Maxwells is where you get told to go with your enquiries.

I am sure Maxwells accept the profits from their official Nikon status, so it is not unreasonable that they would accept the questions too.

Of course, they have the option of replying to advise that they are not authorised to comment. That might be a little tricky considering it is a question concerning functionality of an item they are offering for sale, but they have that option.

Someone somewhere within the Empire of Nikon must be able to respond to this very simple enquiry.

[Nnnnsic]

They're probably setting up their contingency plan:

Okay, Canon broke in to our servers using some sort of hacking technology and modified all of our firmware that was going to let you have 8 megapixels out of your 6 megapixel sensor and somehow, they coded in some form of white balance encryption no doubt to flush us out of the market... so we're doing our best to repair the damage.
(Where's Valve when you need them?)

OR

It's all just a big joke... it's our way of saying April Fools!!! (in May... and June... and July... and hey, for the rest of the year or at least until we fix our screw up).

[birddog114]

Please note:
Maxwell is Nikon Distributor in Australia and NewZealand and Maxwell is not Nikon, the role of Distributor is not engaged in some nasty issues which came from Nikon. Pls. don't get me wrong, I do not say for Maxwell on this topic and I always flamed them in the past.

Maxwell acts like this:

They get stocks from Nikon and sell to their dealers, support their dealers in marketing and services Nikon's products but they do not have the rights to jump in and tell Nikon what to do, if there's any query from customers, dealers in regarding of Nikon decisions or Nikon strategies, they pass those queries to Nikon and waiting for replies.

I'm doing the same, I sell Epson or Nikon products, eventhought I knew the issues or can find the answer by myself to the queries but I can't officially tell people those replies came from Epson or Nikon.

I can only tell, answer if I have the permission or authority from them to do so and it's part of the agreement which I signed.

Or I can say the D70s has encrypted WB not officially, cos I have the D70s as everyone known and have tried it, I'm knowing the issue by that way, not from Maxwell nor Nikon.

[Greg B]

OK, maybe I was being too pushy earlier. So I have left it almost two weeks since my last email on 13 May.

Here is today's follow up email....

Good afternoon Maxwells.

It will be two weeks tomorrow since my most recent email, and I note that there has been no reply from anybody.

Not even a reply advising that you won't or can't answer the queries.

This is a significant failure of customer service, but even worse in my view, it is plain bad manners.

I choose not to speculate on why there has been no response. The options are significant levels of incompetence, arrogant disregard for your ultimate customers or potential customers, the absence of all email addressees over the past couple of weeks with no-one monitoring their inboxes, or the rather unsatisfactory strategy of ignoring queries you don't like for some reason. I almost hope that incompetence is the reason.

Please provide a response to the queries, or advise that you will not answer the questions.

With thanks in advance

Greg Bourke



-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 8:31 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'; 'simonh@maxwell.com.au'; 'service@maxwell.com.au'; 'info@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: RE: WB Encryption

Hi Maxwells

I refer to my two emails below and note that I have not received any response. Maybe Glenn was the wrong person to email, the site does invite emails, but maybe he is on leave or has defected to Canon. So I am sending this to all email addresses in the hope that it will find it's way to someone who can assist.

Would someone please respond to my questions below. To recap:-

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Many thanks

Greg Bourke


-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2005 9:52 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: FW: WB Encryption

Hi Glenn

I refer to my email below.

Please advise whether you are able to reposond, or whether I should direct my enquiry elsewhere, e.g., Nikon Japan. If this is the case, kindly provide me with a contact email address.

I would appreciate your reply today

Many thanks

Greg Bourke

-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 9:59 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: WB Encryption

Hi Glenn

I am a moderator on a large and very active Australian Nikon DSLR forum.

There has been a great deal of talk and speculation on our forum, and many others, concerning the encryption of WB information, and the consequences in terms of third party post processing applications.

Without concerning ourselves in any way as to the merits or otherwise of the encryption, in the interests of establishing some facts, I would be grateful if you could answer the following questions. All deal with simple facts to which any consumer or prospective consumer would be entitled.

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Your early response will be appreciated

Yours faithfully
Greg Bourke

[darb]

turn on read reciepts

(not that it will necessarily work.)

[fozzie]

Greg,

Well done.

I hope you are a very, very, very patient man .

[KerryPierce]

OK, maybe I was being too pushy earlier. So I have left it almost two weeks since my last email on 13 May.

Here is today's follow up email....

That's cool, Greg. I assume that the entire Nikon organization has been directed to ignore this problem.

I've done the same thing with Nikon USA, which started on the 19th of April with my first enquiry. My 3rd followup was 2 days ago, along with a similar email to the NikonUSA head dslr guy that was in that interview. No responses to any of them, not even automated....

I keep hearing about how Nikon is a traditional Japanese company, with very strong cultural issues about losing face and all that. The traditional Japanese death before dishonor thing, I guess. I'm beginning to think that is just smokescreen and that Nikon management is simply not comprised of honorable people. What they are doing is petty and cowardly, IMO.

[dhess]

Very entertaining stuff.

This is the only issue that makes me regret going with Nikon over Canon

Greg, maybe it will be helpful if you include a link to this thread in your next email and CC it to Nikon Japan.

[birddog114]

Nikon Japan is lurking this forum every day and they got the messages same as enjoying the rants from all other sides
No, they won't open their mouth but do enjoying drinking cold sake

[dhess]

Hey Birddog did you get my PM re D70S?

[Greg B]

Interestingly, there is no email address that I can find for Nikon Japan on the Nikon website. I think that says something right there!

[dhess]

[phillipb]

Should be simple enough for maxwells to reply with:
" Thank you for your emails, your queries have been forwarded to Nikon Japan, we will notify you when they reply."
Then promptly forget all about it.

P.S. Greg, if Maxwells does monitor this forum, you can expext the above email very soon.

[sirhc55]

Nikon - 行為を一緒に得なさい

[birddog114]

Should be simple enough for maxwells to reply with:
" Thank you for your emails, your queries have been forwarded to Nikon Japan, we will notify you when they reply."
Then promptly forget all about it.

P.S. Greg, if Maxwells does monitor this forum, you can expext the above email very soon.

Phillipb,
They may be lurk this forum but I say they don't care, cos it's not their job nor their responsibilities, they're just a disti. not an official Nikon branch or office in Australia. The disti's job and roles are: buy the goods from manufacturers and sell them, providing tech support, service but not replying any query related to the decision of the manufacturers.

Nikon may give them a flick later and choose another disti. so the problems of replying your emails is from Nikon not Maxwell, if they replied and mentioned that they forward your emails to Nikon which may cause more headache for them to confront with all your follow up later.

Nikon Japan does not use email system

Who want to travel to Japan to march in front of the headquater of Nikon in Tokyo, Japan Please register here

[gstark]

Who want to travel to Japan to march in front of the headquater of Nikon in Tokyo, Japan Please register here

Good idea.

I'm in!

(BTW, I've seen some very cheap fares to HK ATM - Sub $400 R/T on VA!)

[birddog114]

Very entertaining stuff.

This is the only issue that makes me regret going with Nikon over Canon .

The letter N is nicer than the letter C if it's used in our Viet's language

[Aussie Dave]

perhaps Maxwells staff are all being kept busy finishing off all the rebates from the 1000's of D70's they sold ??

This is certainly not good customer support and I hope they reply to Greg's emails promptly, or fear a potential loss of some VERY loyal customers.

The only other thing I can think of is that they have secretly bought out Canon and don't care if we all switch across....???

I guess they bank on Lens Lust and "pride of Nikon ownership" outweighing concerns of bad customer support for alot of people. We already own their products, so there is a higher chance we'll stick it out with them rather than jump ship to Canon etc... Now, if we were just entering the market and didn't have thousands of dollars invested in equipment that would be a different story......

Look forward to seeing how this one plays out.

Thanks for your efforts and patience Greg. Keep up the good fight

[Greg B]

Oh what the heck, Maxwells aren't going to reply, frankly, they are a disgrace.

So I have written to Nikon in Japan. They didn't show an email address, but they did show their street address.

The following letter is going today.

Greg Bourke


Australia

27 May 2005


Nikon Photo Products Inc
23-1, Azumabashi 1-chome,
Sumida-ku,
Tokyo 130-8677
Japan

Dear Sirs

I have sent emails to your Australian distributor (Maxwells) seeking information in relation to the encryption of WB or other information in NEF files. However, I have not had a reply.

My questions are very simple, and the purpose of seeking the information is to assist and advise members of a Nikon DSLR forum of which I am a member and a moderator. These forum members are very enthusiastic users of Nikon products, there are many members and most have invested heavily in Nikon equipment. There is a great deal of interest in developments, however at times it is difficult to obtain accurate and reliable information.

The contents of my four unanswered emails are as follows:-


-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:52 PM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'; 'simonh@maxwell.com.au'; 'service@maxwell.com.au'; 'info@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: RE: WB Encryption

Good afternoon Maxwells.

It will be two weeks tomorrow since my most recent email, and I note that there has been no reply from anybody.

Not even a reply advising that you won't or can't answer the queries.

This is a significant failure of customer service, but even worse in my view, it is plain bad manners.

I choose not to speculate on why there has been no response. The options are significant levels of incompetence, arrogant disregard for your ultimate customers or potential customers, the absence of all email addressees over the past couple of weeks with no-one monitoring their inboxes, or the rather unsatisfactory strategy of ignoring queries you don't like for some reason. I almost hope that incompetence is the reason.

Please provide a response to the queries, or advise that you will not answer the questions.

With thanks in advance

Greg Bourke



-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 8:31 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'; 'simonh@maxwell.com.au'; 'service@maxwell.com.au'; 'info@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: RE: WB Encryption

Hi Maxwells

I refer to my two emails below and note that I have not received any response. Maybe Glenn was the wrong person to email, the site does invite emails, but maybe he is on leave or has defected to Canon. So I am sending this to all email addresses in the hope that it will find it's way to someone who can assist.

Would someone please respond to my questions below. To recap:-

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Many thanks

Greg Bourke



“Hi Glenn

I refer to my email below.

Please advise whether you are able to respond, or whether I should direct my enquiry elsewhere, e.g., Nikon Japan. If this is the case, kindly provide me with a contact email address.

I would appreciate your reply today

Many thanks

Greg Bourke

-----Original Message-----
From: Bourke, Greg
Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 9:59 AM
To: 'glennw@maxwell.com.au'
Subject: WB Encryption

Hi Glenn

I am a moderator on a large and very active Australian Nikon DSLR forum.

There has been a great deal of talk and speculation on our forum, and many others, concerning the encryption of WB information, and the consequences in terms of third party post processing applications.

Without concerning ourselves in any way as to the merits or otherwise of the encryption, in the interests of establishing some facts, I would be grateful if you could answer the following questions. All deal with simple facts to which any consumer or prospective consumer would be entitled.

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

Your early response will be appreciated

Yours faithfully

Greg Bourke “

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In Australia, there is an expectation that a company’s local representative will respond to consumer enquiries. Your International Gateway on the internet lists Maxwells as the Australian distributor, and does not offer an alternative for enquiries.

Clearly, Maxwell’s has abrogated it’s responsibilities to behave honourably as your Australian contact point. I hope you are prepared to rectify that unacceptable behaviour by responding to my legitimate enquiry.

My questions are:-

1. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D70S be encrypted?
2. Will the WB data (or any other data) on the NEF files from the D50 be encrypted?
3. Will the forthcoming firmware update for the D70 cause the encryption of any data which is not currently encrypted.

I would appreciate your response to these three questions.

You can email me if you wish…

greg.bourke@deacons.com.au


I look forward to your early reply

Yours faithfully




Greg Bourke

Sure, you wouldn't want to be hanging by the short hairs waiting for a response. but after all, it is only the first letter.

[Geoff]

Look forward to the reply/response...
what would happen if one of us just called up on the phone?

[Greg B]

Called who? Maxwells or Nikon?

[KerryPierce]

Here's a snailmail address that I got from dpreview, that Thom Hogan posted.

Makoto Kimura
President of Imaging Company
Nikon Corporation
Fuji Bldg., 2-3, Marunouchi 3-chome
Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 100-8331
Japan

I haven't sent a letter yet, but I agree with you that the time has come to do so.

[gstark]

You rang ???

[Hlop]

Going bushido (the way of the warrior) real samurai doesn't care what gaijin (anyone who isn't japanese) says

[birddog114]

Here's a snailmail address that I got from dpreview, that Thom Hogan posted.

Makoto Kimura
President of Imaging Company
Nikon Corporation
Fuji Bldg., 2-3, Marunouchi 3-chome
Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 100-8331
Japan

I haven't sent a letter yet, but I agree with you that the time has come to do so.

Catch a flight to Tokyo, see him face to face, he may pay you back a nice sushi dinner with top sake

[birddog114]

Look forward to the reply/response...
what would happen if one of us just called up on the phone?

Go to Maxwell with a big banner and PA system, camp in front of their office is better than call them over the phone.

[gstark]

Look forward to the reply/response...
what would happen if one of us just called up on the phone?

Go to Maxwell with a big banner and PA system, camp in front of their office is better than call them over the phone.

We have the banners, but it's a tad cool at the moment for camping.

[Geoff]

Maxwells

[KerryPierce]

Catch a flight to Tokyo, see him face to face, he may pay you back a nice sushi dinner with top sake

nah, I'm not interested in meeting him. I am rather picky about the people I hang out with and I don't hang with people that I can't trust. The people in the Nikon organization seem to have a real problem with honesty and not keeping their fingers out of other people's pockets.

[dooda]

Kerry,

didn't you mention earlier that after shooting with your D70s you surmised that it doesn't have the encryption?

[birddog114]

Catch a flight to Tokyo, see him face to face, he may pay you back a nice sushi dinner with top sake

The people in the Nikon organization seem to have a real problem with honesty

What's a damage of honesty which Nikon had done? Did they refuse you the warranty? Service?

and not keeping their fingers out of other people's pockets

All the businesses as Ford, GMC, Boeing, IBM, Merc, Canon, Fujifilm, Milnolta, Sigma do the same way.

And me too at the mini meet